Rolling with Beelzebub Addendum I – Hanzo

With Hanzo getting devil type, we have a premium option to pair with Haku over CDD. It’s easy to assume Hanzo is better than CDD, but let’s look at the numbers to see by how much.

For reference, here’s the original post.

First, here’s what my team currently does:

* Avg. Haku + CDD board: 20 dark orbs, 10 fire orbs; 6 dark row enhances; 100% enhanced dark orbs (Beelzebub); 2x dark damage (Batman); on-board combos (6): 3 dark rows, 3 others; 1.2x ATK RSonia bonus; all hypermax; using optimal board setup
Damage By Sub
1371 - Crazed King of Purgatory, Beelzebub 1094 - Cyclone Devil Dragon 1269 - Banishing Claw Byakko, Haku 1736 - 魔哭の冥夜神, Pandora 1476 - BAO Batman+BW Stealth 1645 - Marvelous Red Dragon Caller, Sonia
Main 2,025,202 1,638,008 1,735,001 1,450,231 1,427,729 132,722
Sub 202,520 0 173,810 145,101 0 626,183
Team Damage
Elem. Fire Water Wood Light Dark TOTAL
Dmg. 132,722 0 0 0 9,423,785 9,556,507

It also has 48,078 HP and 8,501 RCV.

For comparison’s sake, let’s look again at what Anri can do:

* Avg. Haku + CDD board: 20 dark orbs, 10 fire orbs; 7 dark row enhances; 100% enhanced dark orbs (Beelzebub); 2x dark damage (Batman); on-board combos (6): 3 dark rows, 3 others; 1.2x ATK RSonia bonus; all hypermax; using optimal board setup
Damage By Sub
1371 - Crazed King of Purgatory, Beelzebub 1291 - Anri & Chaos Devil Dragon 1269 - Banishing Claw Byakko, Haku 1736 - 魔哭の冥夜神, Pandora 1476 - BAO Batman+BW Stealth 1645 - Marvelous Red Dragon Caller, Sonia
Main 2,339,674 1,502,412 2,004,411 1,675,422 1,649,426 132,722
Sub 233,967 150,600 200,800 167,632 0 723,417
Team Damage
Elem. Fire Water Wood Light Dark TOTAL
Dmg. 132,722 0 0 0 10,647,761 10,780,483

It also has 46,798 HP and 9,348 RCV.

Now with Hanzo:

* Avg. Hanzo + CDD board: 20 dark orbs, 10 water orbs; 7 dark row enhances; 100% enhanced dark orbs (Beelzebub); 2x dark damage (Batman); on-board combos (6): 3 dark rows, 3 others; 1.2x ATK RSonia bonus; all hypermax; using optimal board setup
Damage By Sub
1371 - Crazed King of Purgatory, Beelzebub 1195 - Moonlit Shadow, Hattori Hanzo 1269 - Banishing Claw Byakko, Haku 1736 - 魔哭の冥夜神, Pandora 1476 - BAO Batman+BW Stealth 1645 - Marvelous Red Dragon Caller, Sonia
Main 2,242,188 2,055,769 1,920,894 1,606,613 1,580,700 0
Sub 224,219 205,319 192,433 160,647 40,084 693,274
Team Damage
Elem. Fire Water Wood Light Dark TOTAL
Dmg. 0 40,084 0 0 10,881,056 10,921,140

44,776 HP and 9271 RCV. Compared to CDD, we’re trading 3,302 HP for 770 RCV and 1,364,633 damage. Even ignoring the damage, that seems like a pretty damned good trade-off considering how starved devil teams are for RCV.

Compared to Anri, we lose 2,022 HP and 77 RCV to gain 140,657 damage. I knew Anri’s orb enhance would factor heavily in this damage comparison setup. These numbers obviously don’t tell the whole story. First, Hanzo is on a 5-turn cooldown compared to 8 for Anri. Second, Hanzo’s TPA will contribute much more damage while grinding. Basically we’re trading some negligible stats for flexibility.

“But setsu, why would Hanzo’s cooldown matter when you’re only going to use him alongside Haku?”. Well, consider this: Hanzo also interacts with RSonia’s board, giving you a full dark board.

Here’s damage with a typical 50-50 RSonia board:

* Avg. RSonia board: 15 dark orbs, 15 fire orbs; 7 dark row enhances; 100% enhanced dark orbs (Beelzebub); 2x dark damage (Batman); on-board combos (6): 2 dark rows, 4 others; 1.2x ATK RSonia bonus; all hypermax; using optimal board setup
Damage By Sub
1371 - Crazed King of Purgatory, Beelzebub 1195 - Moonlit Shadow, Hattori Hanzo 1269 - Banishing Claw Byakko, Haku 1736 - 魔哭の冥夜神, Pandora 1476 - BAO Batman+BW Stealth 1645 - Marvelous Red Dragon Caller, Sonia
Main 1,283,682 1,176,954 1,099,736 919,234 904,971 90,750
Sub 128,368 117,548 110,170 91,973 0 396,908
Team Damage
Elem. Fire Water Wood Light Dark TOTAL
Dmg. 90,750 0 0 0 6,229,544 6,320,294

Now for a full dark board:

*Full dark board (RSonia + Hanzo): 30 dark orbs; 7 dark row enhances; 100% enhanced dark orbs (Beelzebub); 2x dark damage (Batman); on-board combos (6): 1 dark row; no RSonia 6-combo bonus; all hypermax
Damage By Sub
1371 - Crazed King of Purgatory, Beelzebub 1195 - Moonlit Shadow, Hattori Hanzo 1269 - Banishing Claw Byakko, Haku 1736 - 魔哭の冥夜神, Pandora 1476 - BAO Batman+BW Stealth 1645 - Marvelous Red Dragon Caller, Sonia
Main 1,384,067 1,268,993 1,185,737 991,119 975,741 0
Sub 138,407 126,740 118,786 99,165 0 427,947
Team Damage
Elem. Fire Water Wood Light Dark TOTAL
Dmg. 0 0 0 0 6,716,702 6,716,702

Okay, that wasn’t as impressive as I thought it was going to be, mainly because of RSonia’s 6-combo ATK bonus, but if you’re just doing mindless farming, this option gives you a guaranteed 6+ million damage, enough to one-shot most boss floors. Hanzo can also save you against the bad to worst case scenarios, changing a majority fire RSonia board to something usable.

However, the most important factor doesn’t have to do with Beelzebub’s team, but Pandora’s. Now you can safely commit your +297 to your Hanzo and know that he’ll have plenty of use elsewhere.

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12 thoughts on “Rolling with Beelzebub Addendum I – Hanzo

  1. Thanks for the doing the math. Adding devil subtype massively buffed Hanzo. I just wish they but some more though in adding useful subtypes for some of the other ninjas. Fuma really needed healer subtype over devil and sasuke could really use a balance subtype over devil.

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    • I agree with you that some of the ninjas should’ve gotten better subtypes, but I do think GungHo is trying to push at least a devil subtheme in all colors, for whatever reason.

      Fuma as a healer would’ve been really, really nice. For the orb change, of course, but also because his huge physical HP butt would be welcome on many a healer team. But maybe that’s why they just went with devil. Since devil is a bit like god in “anything goes” they wouldn’t have to justify not adjusting the existing stats to compensate for a subtype.

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  2. We discussed Loki momentarily on your earlier Beelz post. Now, with regards to swapping CDD for Hanzo, would D/B Loki then be the better choice over D/D Loki?

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    • I thought about this moments after making the post, but didn’t go back and add it as I figured it wouldn’t make too much of a difference. I’m still curious, though, so I ran some numbers though the damage calculator. The differences between D/D and D/B Loki were negligible (within 100k) with either CDD or Hanzo so damage-wise the choice doesn’t really matter. However, after getting more experience with the team, I now say D/B is almost certainly the better choice since he has 50 more RCV, likely the most valuable stat for the team.

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  3. I was wondering what you think of this team of Beelzebub/Zuo/Pandora/Pandora/Vritra/RSonia compared to the optimal team you had posted (Beelzebub/Haku/CDD/Pandora/Loki/RSonia)

    http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/simulator.asp?q=1371.99.1.0.0.0.8..1953.99.1.0.0.0.5..1736.99.1.0.0.0.7..1736.99.1.0.0.0.7..1927.99.1.0.0.0.5..1645.99.1.0.0.0.6..

    The Leader Skill for RSonia doesn’t show up for some reason. This team trades the Haku+CDD for Zuo+Pandora. Vritra has a shorter cooldown on his Active Skill but I guess it’s one turn opposed to the 3 turns Loki gives.

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    • The link didn’t hyperlink all the way, you’d need to copy and paste instead of clicking. I apologize for that.

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    • After using Beelzebub for a few months now, I’m convinced that RCV is the most valuable stat for the team; for Lv10, anyways. Zuoh + Pandora has 509 RCV. Haku + Hanzo has 659. Haku + CDD has 351. Zuoh + Pandora is a bit behind Haku + Hanzo in RCV, but their awakenings are far superior. Just giving PDX a quick look, you net an additional two time extends, one row and one skill boost. On top of that the second Pandora is another heartmaker to be used in a jam. This seems like a great alternative and I don’t know why I didn’t cover it in my posts. Thank you for bringing it up! I wanted a Zuoh to lead my Meimei system, now I want one even more…

      As for Vritra vs. Loki, Vritra is a an amazing sub, but for Lv10 I’d almost always prefer Loki for his ~400 more RCV. This is just theorycrafting, but I always felt Vritra’s shorter cooldown didn’t matter all that much since you usually want to use it in conjunction with Haku/Zuoh, who both share a 9-turn cooldown with Loki. Loki’s multiple turn buff also creates the possibility of consecutive turn burst with a follow-on RSonia board. I do see situations where you’d want the shorter cooldown, but in general I feel Loki is better. Outside extreme situations like Lv10 where every point of RCV counts, I’d say Vritra is usually the better choice.

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      • I glad you appreciate Zuoh+Pandora being an alternative set up. I understand your points about RCV and it makes a lot of sense given the nature of Lv10 dungeons.

        I’ve been using Beelzebub since I saw your team building post, and I’ve been using it since. Mostly because I have so many RSonia friends and I used to run completely different leads. So I was looking to see if there were other “more” optimal builds out there and ran across this build and wanted to share it with you.

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  4. With the addition of Mitsuhide, I think it’s a better combo than Haku + Hanzo due to 1) more heal orbs!, 2) dark enhance, and 3) better weighted stats….this is only offset by Hanzo’s fast cooldown. I’m running that exact team you posted except with Lu Bu instead of Batman/Loki (I don’t have either of those two…plus I spent forever max plussing Lu Bu ^__^)

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      • I was considering buying the last orb to uevo Beelz, but after reading some of the things on this forum today about the godfest, and seeing some of these comments, I’m wondering if my time would be better spent somewhere else. I’ve been running Lmeta and RSonia teams, and can farm KoG, but am having trouble figuring out what I should focus on next, since neither of those teams seem to be optimal to push into deeper endgame. I think I have a lot of good leaders, but no well rounded teams. Any chance you could take a look and give me some advice on what team/s to build to progress next? I’m already realizing I should focus less on what I don’t have and start optimizing what I do while ranking up hard.
        https://www.padherder.com/user/Rasmoth/monsters/#31,0,31,8191,268435455,0,,0,0,0,eq,0,0,0,0,;default,0
        Any help would be appreciated, thanks for your time.

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