Thoughts on the Game8 JP Tier List 10/16/15


Changes from 9/25: Yomi Dragon A+→S, Levi debuts as A+
SS 2259 - 太陽神, Ra Dragon
S 2253 - 破壊神, Shiva Dragon2255 - 海王神, Neptune Dragon2011 - Awoken Bastet2012 - Awoken Ra2389 - Awoken Sakuya2013 - Awoken Anubis2325 - Awoken Yomi2230 - 気狂いピエロ, Kite2261 - 夜刻神・Tsukuyomi Dragon1847 - 黒天の幻龍王・Zaerog∞
A+ 1954 - Awoken Shiva1937 - 最強戦士・超ベジット1955 - Awoken Lakshmi2226 - 制約と誓約, Gon Freecss1747 - Sparkling Goddess of Secrets, Kali2148 - 早天の日龍喚士, Kanna1951 - Tome-Creating White Phantom Demon, Ilm2030 - Cloud & ハーディ=デイトナ1901 - 最強装備, Juggler1949 - Lightning Black Dragonbound, Typhon2360 - Mankind's Strongest Soldier, Levi
A 1947 - Lightning Red Dragonbound, Gadius2006 - Avowed Thief, Ishikawa Goemon2009 - Awoken Horus2080 - 知徳の麗女神, Sarasvati2386 - 裁魂冥穣神・Osiris1666 - Sacred Life Goddess, Hathor2324 - Awoken Amaterasu Ohkami1736 - Wailing Bleak Night Goddess, Pandora1953 - Enraged Black Phantom Demon, Zuoh1645 - Marvelous Red Dragon Caller, Sonia1371 - Crazed King of Purgatory, Beelzebub


Changes from 9/25: Gadius removed, Set debuts at A, Trunks removed, Artemis A+→A, Ishida removed, Awoken Amaterasu A+→A, Fire Amaterasu removed, Summer Pandora A+→A, Yomi Dragon added to A+, Ryuune debuts at A+, Saria debuts at A+
S 1738 - 覇征の龍武王, Cao Cao859 - ドスバギィ&バギィネコ1743 - Restrained Dragon Hero, Liu Bei2081 - Divine Creator of Order, Vishnu1747 - Sparkling Goddess of Secrets, Kali2148 - 早天の日龍喚士, Kanna2078 - 劫火の威女神, Kali2150 - Ominous Moon Dragon Caller, Satsuki2180 - 平定の黄泉神, Izanami
A+ 1726 - Awoken Hinokagutsuchi2235 - 復仇の戦軍神, Ares2010 - Awoken Isis2236 - 還魂の商業神, Hermes2443 - 還爪の青龍契士・Ryuune2075 - Awoken Meimei2441 - 裁爪の橙龍契士・Saria1785 - warrior rose, graceful valkyrie2076 - Awoken Haku2290 - 雪白の美姫, Valkyrie Claire1847 - 黒天の幻龍王・Zaerog∞2261 - 夜刻神・Tsukuyomi Dragon
A 2073 - Awoken Leilan2384 - Ruling Firestorm God, Set2094 - Phoenix Rider Valen1670 - Norn of the Past, Urd2289 - 楽園の時女神, Urd2074 - Awoken Karin1733 - Blue Chain Starsea Goddess, Andromeda1674 - Norn of the Future, Skuld1741 - Soaring Dragon General, Sun Quan2322 - Awoken Orochi2390 - 想紡の時女神, Verdandi1734 - Green Star Vanquishing Deity, Perseus2146 - 金風の碧龍喚士, Kaede2237 - 月華の狩猟神, Artemis1373 - Genius Sleeping Dragon, Zhuge Liang1887 - 幸七羽毛・ヘッドロココ2238 - 渾天の光明神, Apollo2324 - Awoken Amaterasu Ohkami1926 - Heaven-Shaking Thunderdragon, Indra2281 - 双天の皇祖神, Izanagi2292 - Bleak Night Daughter, Pandora1953 - Enraged Black Phantom Demon, Zuoh1736 - Wailing Bleak Night Goddess, Pandora2273 - 深慮の謀略神, Akechi Mitsuhide

The Game8 list.

It’s been a while since the last update, but there’s finally enough changes to warrant a post. Sadly, there still isn’t all that much to talk about. As usual, there were a few stealth changes that they failed to log.

The New Dragonbounds

2443 - 還爪の青龍契士・Ryuune2441 - 裁爪の橙龍契士・Saria
I don’t think there’s any surprise they made the list as subs. Just a superficial look at their abilities easily puts them in the same league in terms of raw power as the Chinese and they’re generally better than the Norns. Outside of the skill bind resists, they’re essentially the best of both the Chinese and the Norns. Ryuune has the advantage of being in the element that has the easiest time making up for the lack of an SBR.

However, in the context of the teams they fit on, I’m not sure their grades are justified. Ryuune is a good sub for the S-tier lead Neptune Dragon, but does she have enough of an edge over Karin to justify being a tier higher? Saria doesn’t even have the luxury of subbing for an S-tier lead, the best being Ilm at A+. Their A+ grade is fine, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they get downgraded unless some better teams for them emerge. They’re good subs for themselves, though, which leads me to…

I don’t understand why they didn’t make the leader list. The I&I/Ryuune pair and Thor/Saria pair are at least as good as Beelzebub/Sonia. They’re also capable of clearing the Ultimate Arena:

As far as I’m aware, Beelzebub/RSonia aren’t capable of that. In my personal experience they can’t even reliably clear Challenge Dungeons Lv10s anymore. Either they need to be taken off the leader list or Ryuune and Saria need to be added, or both.

The Rise of Yomi Dragon

2261 - 夜刻神・Tsukuyomi Dragon
Yomi Dragon was underestimated by everyone, including myself, as soon as it was revealed, but the addition of a skill bind resist boosted it to elite levels. While it doesn’t have the offensive awakenings like some of its predecessors, the utility it brings is unparalleled; even by Odin Dragon who was clearly made to fulfill a support role. Yomi Dragon is the only MP Dragon that is both great as a leader and a sub, thus making it one of the best MP values in the game.

Levi Debuts at A+

2360 - Mankind's Strongest Soldier, Levi
Like Yomi Dragon, Levi also got an added skill bind resist which boosted him from a decent leader to a great one. I don’t see many Ultimate Arena clears on YouTube, but he’s definitely capable of doing so. Outside that, I don’t think there’s all that much to say as he clearly has all the elements of a good leader. When compared to the stronger members out of the Egypt 2s, he has a better active, better awakenings and a higher ATK multiplier. His sub pool is more restricted as it’s type-based instead of element-based, but the selection is surprisingly good.

As Halloween Kali is basically the same thing, we should expect to see her in a similar position on the leader list the next time they update it.

Stealth Sub List Changes


1947 - Lightning Red Dragonbound, Gadius1561 - 超サイヤ人第三段階・トランクス2269 - 克明の諜報神, Ishida Mitsunari1557 - Dancing Flame, Amaterasu Ohkami

2237 - 月華の狩猟神, Artemis2324 - Awoken Amaterasu Ohkami2292 - Bleak Night Daughter, Pandora

I don’t think any of these changes are surprising, except maybe Trunks.

  • Gadius – I don’t think he’s a coveted sub for any of the leaders on their list, so this seems justified.
  • Trunks – As Lakshmi falls out of favor, it follows that Trunks should as well. I’d also assume the Ryuune-Hatsume or Amberjack combo preempts the Skuld-Trunks combo.
  • Ishida and Artemis – I never really understood why they were ranked where they were. Even considering Gon, there’s not much use for wood rows.
  • Amaterasu – Both forms were downgraded which I feel is justified as bind clearers just aren’t valuable subs anymore. Her fire uevo is still critical for Cloud System teams and her awoken is just plain good, but neither of them are necessary for S-tier teams like Awoken Isis, thus the lower grades.
  • Summer Pandora – Considering that the elite dark teams already shit out damage without TPAs, grading her the same as the original form is no surprise.

Should Be On the List

2282 - Placating Founder, Okuninushi
I think Water Okuninushi should make the sub list at A. He’s a great utility player on on dark teams, especially on Levi and Yomi Dragon. He’s at least as good as other A-tier subs GZL and Izanagi.

This will probably be a regular section in these posts going forward. I’ll also cover removals as well as upgrades and downgrades if there’s nothing that I think should be added.

Did I miss something? Please leave a comment and let me know!


16 thoughts on “Thoughts on the Game8 JP Tier List 10/16/15

  1. Your comments on Yomi Dragon make me wonder whether he’d be a worthy MP purchase after all, given that I don’t have any optimal Ra Dragon subs. Any idea what the standard YomiDra Arena teams are?


      • For arena only you probably replace haku #2 with either Okunimusha or Zeus Straitos to get Kali under the murder threshhold


      • Hm, good to know. I have Okuninushi, Akechi, and DIza, so it looks like I’m *part* of the way there. Now I just need a Haku… lol. Awoken Haku XMas REM monster please?


        • You can round out the team with Zaerog which is pretty solid.

          I’m actually surprised GungHo hasn’t tried to milk any of the Chinese outside of Sakuya yet. I mean, if there was a reskin of Meimei or Haku I’d probably forfeit the rest of my gaming budget for the rest of the year to get it.


      • If Yomi Dragon/Okuni/Akechi/DIza/Z8 can actually challenge Arena, I might need to use my 300k MP on YomiDra after all. The MP dragons are up for 2 weeks, right? So Neptune Dragon is ~ Oct 15-30, Odin is Nov 1-15, Ra is Nov 15-30, and Yomi should be Dec 1-15… maybe that will be enough time to see what the Christmas REM MP monster will be. Do you think the Dragons will rotate again after this run, or be replaced by something else?


        • You’re probably better off running Zeus Stratios to take care of the Kalis since you don’t have Haku to combo with Akechi for that burst board.

          They rotated back on JP, so I’d assume the same for every other region.


      • Good point about the Akechi/Haku combo. I was actually talking about on JP – I was surprised when they rotated around the first time, and I’m a little concerned that they won’t rotate around a third time. But I guess we’ll see!


      • Thanks, Anon, but I’m actually on JP, where it just rotated from Shiva to Neptune Dragon on October 15. I’m trying to divine whether the MP Dragons will have a third rotation or be shifted out in favor of something new, but there’s just no way to tell.


  2. The bump for Yomi Dragon and Levi shows how significant 40% skill lock resist by default is, it really opens up team options. The leads without it have either fallen behind or have a strong enough leader skill to make up for it (Ra Dragon). It’s starting to feel a little pointless when the top leads wear it like a badge, although Gungho could just start gravitating toward a new gimmick to start the cycle over.

    I was really hoping I wouldn’t have to buy Yomi Dragon because good lord it is the ugliest thing I’ve ever seen in this game.


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