Elia and Grisar are a new set of event-based invades, somewhat like the Spirit Jewels. They invade Mythicals and Rushes, but their schedule is more like what the Jewels have for Rushes: which invade you get varies by the hour of the day. They’re REM-quality monsters, but don’t let their farmability fool you into thinking that they’re accessible. They’re extremely expensive to skill up, pricing them well out of range of the average player.
How to Farm and the Invade Schedule
As their worth is directly tied to your ability to skill them up, let’s first start with how to do so. Going by what JP gets, Elia and Grisar’s invade schedule is similar to the Spirit Jewel Rush schedule except it’s in eight hour increments instead of three. Basically the invade schedule starts when the event starts, starting with Elia and swapping to Grisar after eight hours, then rotating between the two for the rest of the event. This guarantees a farming window for the descendeds you wanted to farm the most that particular event. This schedule could possibly change for the NA server, though, and I’ll make sure to update this post if it does.
The Cost of Skill Ups
Elia and Grisar are both obviously powerful, but you need to skill them up before you think about using them; a 22-turn 1:1 orb change isn’t remotely usable, even with a one-turn haste. Currently, the only ways to skill them are through farming dupes and pys. Unfortunately max level uevo dupes can’t be used for guaranteed skill ups since, well, they don’t have uevos yet. Maybe someday.
I wasn’t able to find any concrete invade rates, but I’d assume they’re similar to that of the Spirit Jewels and Latent Tamas. Farming invades is an extremely expensive process, as personally witnessed with my Spirit Jewel farming. The invade rate is likely similar to jewels with about 15% for Mythicals. For the sake of argument, let’s be optimistic and assume a 20% invade rate for Mythicals and skill ups are done under a 2.5x event. This means we’ll need 60 total fodder. We get a drop every 250 stamina. That’s 1,000 stamina per skill up and 15,000 stamina total. Given a well ranked player with 300 stamina, that’s 50 stones worth of stamina. If we go the other way and assume a 10% invade rate, that’s 30,000 stamina and 100 stones. Not cheap at all. Going the Py route is arguably worse since you can’t take advantage of overlapping 10x or 5x +eggs for descended events. Assuming a Py rate of one every 2,000 stamina, that’s still 30,000 stamina.
So, Are They Worth It?
No. Only the most dedicated players will be able to utilize these monsters as they’ll be the only ones that can afford to skill them up. Considering how they’re unusable to the majority, they’re actually a nuisance more than anything. Not only are the invades difficult for the average player to beat, they take the place of a possible Jewel or Latent invade event, two things that are actually useful to everyone.
Despite their inaccessibility, they’re still very strong and it’s worth considering their uses. Their offensive awakenings, skill boost and skill bind resist are well known, valuable qualities at this point, but the resists shouldn’t be underestimated. 10% reduction for light or dark is very relevant in endgame dungeons. While latents provide a similar effect, you won’t have to occupy your precious latent slots to do so. At the very least they’ll be instrumental in surviving some of the biggest hits in the game, particularly preemptives.
Uses for Elia
Sakuya is the only great fit and is really the only leader worth going through the trouble of skilling one up for. However, that’s not even a certainty as the Dark Sakuya team is seen by many of the best players as the the more consistent endgame team, further diminishing Elia’s worth.
I wouldn’t consider Elia as a leader for anything outside of farming. She forms a decent leader pair with Athena which is also nice for no-dupe coin dungeons. She’s also not a terrible pair with herself, bringing a respectable 9x ATK and 2.25x RCV. The fundamental problem still remains, though: if you can get an Elia you probably already have a decent farming lead.
Uses for Grisar
Sadly, Grisar has even fewer uses than Elia. You know you’re in trouble when your best leader is Pandora. Rather than scraping the bottom of the barrel to find mediocre uses for Grisar, here are a few reasons why Grisar doesn’t have a good home:
- Dark has shifted away from rows. Most of dark’s elite leads are combo-intensive, meaning rows are useless. The one exception could be Yomi Dragon, but Grisar doesn’t qualify as a god and outside 5×4s that team would rather have TPAs, too. DMeta is making a resurgence so he’d be a good fit there, but I’m not sure that team is good enough to warrant the investment. Only time will tell.
- There are no good devil leads. The days of Beelzebub-RSonia are long since passed. Akechi has potential, but it won’t be fully realized until the Segoku get their uevos. Ditto for Lumiel, although to a lesser degree.
- He doesn’t combo with any board changes. There isn’t a single dark-main board changer that creates both dark and light orbs. The best off-color options are Meimei and Apocalypse.
- Two of dark’s best orb changers also change light orbs. Pandora and Persephone, to be precise. There’s a strong possibility of orb fatigue if you use orb changers that change the same orb type.
He definitely has potential, especially if YamaP continues to make good on his promise to push rows, but at this point there’s no reason to commit the resources into skilling him up.
As a leader, he’s pretty much the same as Elia. He pairs well with Lu Bu and himself, but is also limited to farming duty. I’d argue that rows are significantly worse than TPAs for farming, so I’d probably avoid using Grisar as a lead, assuming you can even get one.
It’s a shame that such great, farmable monsters are basically priced out of usability. Even if there was a reasonable way to skill them up, they’d still have very limited uses. To put it frankly: if you even have to think about whether they’re worth investing in, that means they aren’t. Here’s hoping that they become more relevant in the future because it seems like such a waste otherwise.