JP Aggregate Leader List: Trial Week 1

JP Aggregate Leader List β

Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier
1
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
2
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
2013 - Awoken Anubis
2662 - Awoken Pandora
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
3
1954 - Awoken Shiva
2445 - The Greatest Enemy, Raoh
2392 - Awoken Freyr
2443 - Returning-Claw Blue Dragonbound, Ryune
2393 - Awoken Idunn&Idunna
2566 - Ancestral Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia
2011 - Awoken Bastet
2226 - 制約と誓約, Gon Freecss
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
1951 - Tome-Creating White Phantom Demon, Ilm
2012 - Awoken Ra
2441 - Judging-Claw Orange Dragonbound, Saria
2395 - Awoken Thor
2465 - Ushio & Tora
1901 - 最強装備, Juggler
1949 - Lightning Black Dragonbound, Typhon
2325 - Awoken Yomi
2230 - 気狂いピエロ, Kite
2360 - Mankind's Strongest Soldier, Levi
2006 - Avowed Thief, Ishikawa Goemon
2537 - Year's First Dream God of Luck, Horus
2602 - 最高の男・Bouya Harumichi
1937 - 最強戦士・超ベジット
2009 - Awoken Horus
2206 - Broad-Minded Hell Demon, Scarlet
2511 - Mistress of the Sanctuary, Kali
2604 - 鈴蘭最強の男・Hayashida Megumi
1955 - Awoken Lakshmi
2658 - 敬愛の星海神, Andromeda
1956 - Awoken Parvati
2386 - Soul-Judging God of Dark Riches, Osiris
2659 - 勇武の破邪神, Perseus
2509 - Cutting-Claw Green Dragonbound, Sylvie
2394 - Awoken Freyja
2594 - 抗神機, Ragnarok Dragon
1747 - Sparkling Goddess of Secrets, Kali
2534 - Crimson Sun Longevity Dragon Caller, Kanna
2533 - Excursion Dancing Goddess, Amaterasu Ohkami
2324 - Awoken Amaterasu Ohkami
2030 - Cloud & Hardy-Daytona
2148 - Dawn Sky Sun Dragon Caller, Kanna
2447 - Last Nanto General, Yuria
2641 - 神仇の魔狼・Fenrir
1644 - Arbiter of Judgement, Metatron
1847 - Maleficent Phantom Dragon King, Zaerog∞
2407 - Mistress of the Old Castle, Kali
2592 - Judging Scale Steel Star Goddess, Eschamali

With 10x coming in a couple hours, I don’t intend to blog much in the coming week. With that in mind, I wanted to try out the new format for my tier list series of posts even if it may be a bit premature. I’ve been working on the scripts to gather the data and generate the HTML for the past couple of weeks and this is what I have so far. I already have ideas for enhancements and new features, but for now I’ll wait and see how things go. Although I can say already that the amount of time and effort I’ve saved on this post alone has made all the work so far worth it.

As you can see, my attempt to mitigate the pain of solely relying on Game8 as the source of these posts was to rope other questionable JP tier lists into the mix. This aggregate table is essentially the average of all included tier lists. Since the grading scale of each list is not 1:1, I had to tweak the algorithm to translate and compensate. That judgment call is about as close as I want to get to making my own tier list, ever. It’s definitely a work in progress, though, so I’ll be adjusting it as the weeks go on and I’m able to see how it deals with new cards and changes in the meta. For those that still want to directly reference the original lists, I have summaries and links to the originals later in the post.

The first judgment call you may have noticed is the omission of an “SS” tier where Ra Dragon and sometimes Yomi Dragon have lived for the past few months. Like I said, it’s a work in progress, but I don’t actually think an SS tier is necessary anymore, at least not until the details of skill inheritance are revealed (in a few hours?).

Next are the tier names. I actually wanted to use labels that were a bit more cryptic, but I thought about it for a while and trying to sever association with traditional tier lists through ham-fisted obfuscation made me think “why even make a tier list at all?”. I still did want to distance the aggregate list from the JP lists even if superficially, so instead of using letters, I’ll be using numbers: simple and easy to understand. For those curious, the “❀” tier is reserved for all cards that were mentioned in at least one list, but didn’t accumulate enough points to be put into an actual tier.

There’s also the addition of the Pad-Plus leader popularity list. I want to stress: this list has absolutely no weight in the aggregate tier list, but is instead used to indicate which leaders are popular according to the site. While popularity may mean little to some, I still find it interesting to know what’s currently trending on JP.

There’s more I’d like to cover, but I’ll end it here for now. Tier list posts still seem futile, but at the very least I had fun putting all the parts together. If you know of any other JP tier list that you think would make a worthy addition, please let me know in the comments. I’m already considering Altema, but since they have a top 15 list instead of the standard tiers, I’m unsure of how to work it into the aggregate.

New Card Holding Tank

One of my biggest gripes with Game8 was their penchant for overrating new cards that they simply didn’t have enough information on (actually, the converse happened more often, but was less offensive, to me anyways). To combat this, I’m removing all new cards from the aggregate list and putting them into the holding tank for discussion. For now the duration is one week, but I could see extending it if some of the lists are slow to update.

New cards will be held here temporarily in an attempt to isolate the aggregate list from knee-jerk ratings.
Card Notes
2679 - Rukia
Ranked Sites: Game8 (A)

Rukia – Game8’s A-tier is automatically generated from the site-wide ratings, meaning Rukia, rated at A, got added to the list because the side added a score before they had a chance to update the entire tier list. I say this because it’s highly likely that Ichigo — who looks amazing — would at least be A+, but was not added as of yet. As for Rukia, without knowing the combo requirement for her full 5x, she still looks pretty solid and finally gives water a competitive combo lead. The Yuna awakenings are somewhat unfortunate, but the active is quite good and, perhaps most importantly, she gives Scheat a place to shine: 5x TPAs and that active with a 56.25x combo god sounds pretty amazing. The RCV boost is also quite welcome in one of the elements to most easily accumulate natural HP. I think Game8’s rating might be on the conservative side, but only time will tell.

2737 - 最果ての龍喚士・Sonia Gran Reverse
Ranked Sites: AppMedia (A+)

The original Sonia Gran was still a decent leader so any upgrades are a huge help. The two Grans make a good pair and mixing and matching gives you some flexibility when tackling certain dungeons. The dragon sub pool has improved a bit since the original’s brief time in the spotlight, the most prominent being Kanna, Awoken Susano, Awoken Orochi, and Ragnarok Dragon; not to mention farmables in Linthia and Gainot. However, no matter how you slice it 36x rainbow is just plain underwhelming these days. I think AppMedia’s rating is a bit ambitious.


Jump to: Game8 | GameWith | AppMedia | Pad-Plus


Game8

Missing Icons: Rukia (A)
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus
Original source
SS
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
S
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
2013 - Awoken Anubis
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
2662 - Awoken Pandora
A+
1954 - Awoken Shiva
2602 - 最高の男・Bouya Harumichi
2445 - The Greatest Enemy, Raoh
1955 - Awoken Lakshmi
2443 - Returning-Claw Blue Dragonbound, Ryune
2566 - Ancestral Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia
2011 - Awoken Bastet
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
2012 - Awoken Ra
2465 - Ushio & Tora
2441 - Judging-Claw Orange Dragonbound, Saria
2447 - Last Nanto General, Yuria
2325 - Awoken Yomi
2230 - 気狂いピエロ, Kite
A
1644 - Arbiter of Judgement, Metatron
1949 - Lightning Black Dragonbound, Typhon
1951 - Tome-Creating White Phantom Demon, Ilm
1956 - Awoken Parvati
2148 - Dawn Sky Sun Dragon Caller, Kanna
2226 - 制約と誓約, Gon Freecss
2324 - Awoken Amaterasu Ohkami
2360 - Mankind's Strongest Soldier, Levi
1901 - 最強装備, Juggler
2407 - Mistress of the Old Castle, Kali
2511 - Mistress of the Sanctuary, Kali
2592 - Judging Scale Steel Star Goddess, Eschamali
2537 - Year's First Dream God of Luck, Horus
2533 - Excursion Dancing Goddess, Amaterasu Ohkami
2534 - Crimson Sun Longevity Dragon Caller, Kanna
2604 - 鈴蘭最強の男・Hayashida Megumi

For better or worse, nothing much has changed with the Game8 list since I stopped the previous series of posts.


GameWith

Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus
Original source
SS
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
S
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
A
2447 - Last Nanto General, Yuria
2012 - Awoken Ra
2325 - Awoken Yomi
2230 - 気狂いピエロ, Kite
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
2030 - Cloud & Hardy-Daytona
1951 - Tome-Creating White Phantom Demon, Ilm
2013 - Awoken Anubis
2443 - Returning-Claw Blue Dragonbound, Ryune
2441 - Judging-Claw Orange Dragonbound, Saria
2445 - The Greatest Enemy, Raoh
2465 - Ushio & Tora
2011 - Awoken Bastet
2566 - Ancestral Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
2509 - Cutting-Claw Green Dragonbound, Sylvie
2662 - Awoken Pandora
B
1937 - 最強戦士・超ベジット
1954 - Awoken Shiva
1847 - Maleficent Phantom Dragon King, Zaerog∞
2006 - Avowed Thief, Ishikawa Goemon
2226 - 制約と誓約, Gon Freecss
1901 - 最強装備, Juggler
2206 - Broad-Minded Hell Demon, Scarlet
2009 - Awoken Horus
1949 - Lightning Black Dragonbound, Typhon
2360 - Mankind's Strongest Soldier, Levi
2148 - Dawn Sky Sun Dragon Caller, Kanna

The biggest problem I have with the GameWith list right now is the omission of Lakshmi.


AppMedia

Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus
Original source
S+
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
S
2012 - Awoken Ra
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
2325 - Awoken Yomi
2013 - Awoken Anubis
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
2662 - Awoken Pandora
S-
2011 - Awoken Bastet
2566 - Ancestral Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
2230 - 気狂いピエロ, Kite
A+
2737 - 最果ての龍喚士・Sonia Gran Reverse
2445 - The Greatest Enemy, Raoh
2441 - Judging-Claw Orange Dragonbound, Saria
2443 - Returning-Claw Blue Dragonbound, Ryune
2392 - Awoken Freyr
2395 - Awoken Thor
2393 - Awoken Idunn&Idunna
2509 - Cutting-Claw Green Dragonbound, Sylvie
2394 - Awoken Freyja
2537 - Year's First Dream God of Luck, Horus
2226 - 制約と誓約, Gon Freecss
1951 - Tome-Creating White Phantom Demon, Ilm
1949 - Lightning Black Dragonbound, Typhon
2009 - Awoken Horus
A
2465 - Ushio & Tora
1901 - 最強装備, Juggler
2360 - Mankind's Strongest Soldier, Levi
1954 - Awoken Shiva
1955 - Awoken Lakshmi
2407 - Mistress of the Old Castle, Kali
2594 - 抗神機, Ragnarok Dragon
2030 - Cloud & Hardy-Daytona
1847 - Maleficent Phantom Dragon King, Zaerog∞
2592 - Judging Scale Steel Star Goddess, Eschamali
A-
1937 - 最強戦士・超ベジット
1747 - Sparkling Goddess of Secrets, Kali
2324 - Awoken Amaterasu Ohkami
2386 - Soul-Judging God of Dark Riches, Osiris
2534 - Crimson Sun Longevity Dragon Caller, Kanna
2658 - 敬愛の星海神, Andromeda
2641 - 神仇の魔狼・Fenrir

I actually haven’t followed AppMedia much at all so I’m not sure how reliable they are, but they seem to update often so I’m giving them a shot.


Pad-Plus

Original source
1
2662 - Awoken Pandora
2
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
3
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
4
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
5
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
6
2658 - 敬愛の星海神, Andromeda
7
2325 - Awoken Yomi
8
2566 - Ancestral Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia
9
2013 - Awoken Anubis
10
2011 - Awoken Bastet
11
2659 - 勇武の破邪神, Perseus
12
2441 - Judging-Claw Orange Dragonbound, Saria
13
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
14
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
15
2006 - Avowed Thief, Ishikawa Goemon

The Pad-Plus list attempts to quantify leader popularity by using data from their friend-finding service. This isn’t reflective of what’s the best, but it’s also useful to know what’s popular. Take the list as you will.


For details on the aggregation method or each Japanese site used, refer to this page (I’m hoping to make this page in the near future).

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49 thoughts on “JP Aggregate Leader List: Trial Week 1

  1. Really glad you didn’t decide to completely discard the whole tier list posts. I really enjoy them as they help me have a general grasp on the meta changes! Keep up the good work, Setsu 🙂

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      • I looked up teams on YouTube, but didn’t see anything good even with MP Dragons. Probably your best best is to load up a Ra team with as many Kali effects you can and do the best you can.

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  2. Nice web scraping and aggregation work. I particularly like the little touch of the favorite flag being the popular cards.

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    • I used borders at first instead, but it looked really ugly. I actually had to extract the image from an apk manually since I couldn’t find them readily available.

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    • It’s a consideration, but I prefer having things binned in tiers rather than having to worry about the details of an exact score. Having exact scores will just lead to people thinking something is appreciably better than another when that may not be the case, so it’s better to blob things together.

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  3. Nice, very much like the new format.

    Do you plan on commenting if things change / new cards are added to the list? Maybe some kind of spotlight? I think that would be even more enlightening than the already great aggregation of different tier lists (but more work I guess…).

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    • Yes, the next test for my script will be to detect live changes rather than just some test cases. The script currently generates HTML so I can easily comment on each change.

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  4. I’ve been building toward I&I/Blonia/Karin/Hermes/Karin but Blonia seems to be consistently rated higher as a leader… Would I be better running Blonia/Karin/Karon/I&I/Amon?

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  5. And you said the new tier posts wouldn’t necessarily be something neat. Liar! This is awesome.

    Thanks for all the work that went into this! Looking forward to future installments already.

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    • Automating the scraping and HTML generation has really made these posts much more enjoyable since there’s very little busy work now. I’ll eventually work in new features in the future.

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  6. This looks great!

    One question though: the last I looked at tier lists (it’s been a while though), Hathor was there. Did she just get left behind by others or was there some deeper reason?

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  7. “but I don’t actually think an SS tier is necessary anymore, at least not until the details of skill inheritance are revealed (in a few hours?).”

    If only it WERE a few hours… I’m glad that they confirmed that the cards aren’t consumed and are basically just “lending” their active and can get it back. But c’mon man, you left out the BIGGEST DETAIL: what are the limitations on who can transfer or receive skills? Until we know that, it’s safe to say that we shouldn’t get our hopes up too high…

    “The biggest problem I have with the GameWith list right now is the omission of Lakshmi.”

    STILL?!?!? Like, OK, pre-buff she MIGHT not have been worthy, but NOW… Somewhat baffling. Whether you like blue or not, you have to respect the power of a 39x row team…

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    • The stream was terrible. The only reason I stayed up to watch it was because I could farm 10x at the same time. And I still felt cheated.

      Yeah, I don’t understand why Lakshmi isn’t getting more love after her buff. I guess Ryune and BSonia are newer (and thus sexier?), but this just seems like a huge oversight. This is a problem I’m hoping to mitigate a bit by making an aggregate list.

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      • The stream broke my will. I made it about 4 hours, so six AM my time, and just gave up after how boring the PAD X and PAD R reveals were. Now, PAD X looks interesting if there’s co-op built in. That might be fun. And PAD R is exciting in being able to find dungeons as you walk (apparently you HAVE to be standing still or it will say that walking with it is dangerous. Rumor, but still funny), and use orbs you find to buy piis and plusses and whatnot. Good stuff. The presentation was BORING, and it was 6 AM, and that’s a dangerous combination.

        The buffs are good. The games are OK. The new Uvos are good. But good GOD was the dungeoneering bland. The last 5 minutes of Mecha Zeus was good, but everything else… man.

        Also, incomplete news about AS Transfer, no A.Indra/Vritra, no A.3K, and focusing on a GODDAM COLORING BOOK FOR 10 MINUTES AT A TIME. The stream felt like 3 hours of content (and that’s being generous) stretched to fit 6.5 hours. All in all, I won’t be watching the next stream, not worth it lol.

        It says something when the forums have almost unanimously decided that the NA streams aren’t actually all that bad…

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        • Yeah, they’re both pretty horrible. JP didn’t really string things out this badly in the past, but now it’s almost unbearable. Now the only real difference is that JP streams (eventually) announce new stuff and the giveaways are above and beyond what most people would expect (although JP may be taking it for granted at this point).

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  8. Sir. I have sold a ton of monsters to get enough mp for an mp dragon. Should I get shivagon or yomidra? No padhetder but here are my main highlights.

    Hyper max: kagu, ronia, Minerva, Urd, aama, beelz, awoken Yomi, a Haku, satsuki, diza.
    Other notables: Krishna, Leilan, ame no uzume, nim, Hermes, sun quan, andromeda, Neptune, alrescha, awoken meimei, Parvati. Awoken ra. Da qiao. Zaerog infinity, vritra. Chibi dmeta.

    I primarily run Urd lead, ronia, Kagu, Minerva, Hera ur and have learned Yomi with satsuki, Haku, and flex with ra, Kagu, Urd, diza, ama, meimei and zaerog (slvl 1) for flex, so I can handle either red or 5 enhanced gameplay.

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  9. Really great job, Setsu! Thank you so much for your hard work as always! Also, love the MP dragon infographic, it’s very, very accurate (and if I magically have 300K MP the infographic would tell me not to buy any MP dragon harrharrharr).

    Do you have any opinions on super Pandora vs awoken Pandora? As of right now, I do not have the subs for an APandora team. I have a team I can put together for ALucifer, but definitely not APandora due to her narrower requirement. But is she a better sub than Super Pandora? I’m thinking teams like ALucifer, Durga, other dark teams, etc……

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    • There are no huge differences between the two, so which you use depends on your team’s needs. Although, many people seem to be saying her uuevo is inferior, but that isn’t the case. Time extends are extremely powerful and she also has the high RCV we’ve enjoyed from past Pandoras.

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    • Out of curiousity, what subs do you have for Luci that don’t work for Panda? The only ones I can think of are Yomi Dragon (who I know you don’t have), Eschamali (who I’m pretty sure you don’t have), Castor (who is ok but not great) and Awoken Haku (but D/D is about as good and possibly better).

      In any case, if you have both, I prefer Lucifer as a lead to Pandora, although it’s very close. I wrote a blog post about it last week:

      https://mischiefy1pad.wordpress.com/2016/02/12/thoughts-on-awoken-pandora/

      As for super ult vs. Awoken, I think it depends on your team. Yomi Dragon obviously prefers super, since she keeps god typing. Yomi could go either way — the time extend and TPA of super is better, but if you can stack hastes, Awoken will make things easier. Lucifer, Awoken Pandora, and Beelze/Loki all want Awoken (although I can see a case for making super if you have one max skilled already and have no badpys).

      Dark TPA/combo teams aren’t really a thing as far as I know, but if you’re set on on running Durga or Okuni or something, they’d prefer super too. But that’s a weird situation, since you’re probably better off just making Awoken and leading with her instead.

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      • Hey Mischiefy1! *salutes*

        I do not have Eschemali, YomiDra, or Haku 😦 The current team spread I have in mind consists of

        Lucifer / dark/wood Persephone / Castor / Z8 / Pandora / Lucifer

        Out of them, only Z8, Lucifer, and Pandora herself could operate on a Pandora team 😦 Also don’t have a Yomi or Loki DX My dark box is in a sorry state of not having cards hahaha. I’ve been holding off on investing into my dark box at all (Lucifer himself, though Awoken, remains unawoken and unskilled). Some other dark devils I have are…… Durga, Drawn Joker 😦

        I use Durga sometimes just because the team is fun, otherwise I’m leaning towards Super Pandora simply because I have like two subs for Awoken Pandora lol.

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        • Of course, how could I forget Persephone! That team seems pretty good (Pandora/Castor as one spike, Persephone as the other, two hastes to help reduce stalling). I don’t love Z8 on the team, since you probably want either 2 rows or hearts, and the skyfall buff doesn’t quite get you the former while preventing the latter, but his stats are great, awakenings relevant, and haste helps too. I also think Loki is the better pairing as Luci/Luci’s RCV is pretty low, but it’s been really hard to find hypermax Loki friends.

          Anyway, if you’re going to invest in that team, I think Awoken Pandora is the clear choice, since she gives you a third haste, and the row enhance is a lot more useful than the TPA. An additional time extend would certainly be welcome, but you’re already getting two (Pandora/Z8) and I think the power of being able to stack 3 hastes is worth giving it up, especially given the ease of activating Luci’s leader skill.

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          • Ah, I see, thank you! 🙂 My Pandora is still at SL1, I didn’t bother with her until I needed to use her, and then Shadow Sprites didn’t need to be evolved, and then they all still failed anyways because yay skill ups.

            Outside of Awoken Lucifer, Super AA Lucifer, Persephone, Z8, Castor, Pandora, and Dark Izanami my dark box is awfully barren so yeah 😄 Been saving up stones for godfests that will boost my dark box. I especially want Haku and Akechi.

            Thank you for all of your advice!

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  10. Hey Setsu, Why is lakshmi rated higher on the tier list than parvati even though they have the same leader skill? I mean lakshmi has a crappier active than parvati, and you can run tpa with parvati when you run rows for lakshmi. Also, can you give me the link for parvati’s optimal boards. and i’m not being biased, it’s an honest question.

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    • There are quite a few reasons Parvati is far worse which mainly stems from wood being complete garbage right now. The main things are: 1) Parvati has no SBR meaning your sub pool is quite restricted, 2) Michael and Perseus are row-based when you’re encouraged to use TPAs with Parvati, 3) the two play more like tank teams and rows have more efficient burst boards, and 4) water has a plethora of high quality, high-HP subs to make things like surviving DQ Hera possible.

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      • i get it, she doesn’t have a good sub pool, other than that she’s the same. water has got high hp subs typically, like andromeda, blodin, lakshmi herself, karin, and whatnot, it makes sense now… A question though. Is lakshmi viable for ultimate arena? And is shiva? On a second topic, how many Z8 should a player have because i just max skilled my first. Do i need a second?

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        • I don’t know what you mean by viable. Can she clear it? Of course. How consistently? I don’t know. With the MP Dragons I don’t really keep track of what other teams can do in that dungeon.

          I’d say both Shiva and Parvati are be significantly inferior to Lakshmi in Arena 1, Shiva because he just doesn’t do enough damage and Parvati because the dungeon is not friendly to wood teams.

          You shouldn’t need a second Zaerog.

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  11. Rukia is apparently 3x ATK (for water att.) at 5 combos, 4.5x at 6 combos, 6x at 7 combos, and 7.5x at 8 combos. She seems comparable to Awoken Shiva, so I won’t be surprised if she moves up (or he moves down).

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  12. Great remix of the column.

    I can see Andro being popular as a pair with NepDra, but why do you think Perseus is popular in Pad-Plus? For farming or something? Seems kinda random unless I’m not aware of some powerful synergy out there.

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    • Uh, it’s new so people want to try it out. Popularity isn’t necessarily an indication of it being any good. They’ll both probably leave the list in a week or two.

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  13. Quick question, Setsu!

    What do you think of, in terms of usability and power, a Hamal//YomiDragon combo, versus a stock Awoken Luci? I’ll have access to A.Luci when I can get to the mats, but I’m not certain how much stronger it would be than continuing to rock my pseudo-YomiDragon as my main leader.

    Thanks!

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    • Hamal is fine, but you’re losing a lot of endgame potential. That doesn’t necessarily mean you need to go Lucifer, but you need to weigh your options for the endgame if that’s a priority.

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      • That makes sense. I’ll probably stick to fleshing out Hamal and subs, as for the most part they’ll translate over, until I get to actual endgame.

        What would I be looking at with a A Luci Arena team? A.Luci/Eschamali/A.Loki/… UUVo Panda and Akechi? Something along those lines? I have access to Haku and Okuni as well, but I want to say I’ve seen that Loki is the go to over Okuni.

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        • I don’t know, but Lucifer / Yomi Dragon / Eschamali / Akechi / Loki / Lucifer seems like the template team. I pretty much dropped looking into Lucifer teams after I got my second Eschamali.

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