JP Aggregate Leader List: Trial Week 8

JP Aggregate Leader List β

Changes from last time: Rukia 3➞2, Juggler removed from ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier
1
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
2
2679 - Asst Capt of 13th Squad, Rukia Kuchiki
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
2662 - Awoken Pandora
3
2445 - The Greatest Enemy, Raoh
2443 - Returning-Claw Blue Dragonbound, Ryune
2393 - Awoken Idunn&Idunna
2566 - Ancestral Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
2441 - Judging-Claw Orange Dragonbound, Saria
2395 - Awoken Thor
2013 - Awoken Anubis
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
4
2392 - Awoken Freyr
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
2509 - Cutting-Claw Green Dragonbound, Sylvie
2394 - Awoken Freyja
2012 - Awoken Ra
2465 - Ushio & Tora
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
2677 - Hollow Ichigo Kurosaki
2011 - Awoken Bastet
2764 - Cloud & Fenrir
2325 - Awoken Yomi
2230 - 気狂いピエロ, Kite

Dropping the “Trial”. Instead of constantly tweaking the tier thresholds, I’m going to see how the current one holds up and if it’s satisfactory for a couple weeks I’ll remove the beta qualification.

Future of the farming lists. I didn’t have time to update the script to scrape Game8’s farming list. I’m still undecided if I even what to continue including this information. I’ll think about it more when I have more time.

JP Aggregate Leader List β Changes of Note

Card Notes
2679 - Asst Capt of 13th Squad, Rukia Kuchiki
Change: 3➞2

A Game8 upgrade pushes Rukia up a tier. With NA getting Bleach on Monday, this can only add fuel to the fire. I wouldn’t let this influence your decision, though. I always thought she was a little underrated, but since I never cared to formulate an argument for it I never really said anything. Now that NA is getting her, I’ll definitely be doing more research

2803 - 究極装備, Juggler
Change: Removed from ❀

Juggler wasn’t on any of the tier lists, but made the honorable mentions by way of Pad-Plus. I’m still debating if I want to remove this functionality since it can be misleading.

New Card Holding Tank

New cards will be held here temporarily in an attempt to isolate the aggregate list from knee-jerk ratings.
Card Notes
2756 - 紅蘭の君子, Xiang Mei
Ranked Sites: Game8 (S), GameWith (SS), AppMedia (S)

Even with a limited sub pool and no sub-attribute, Xiang Mei is obviously an elite leader. That was never in question, though. What we really need to find out is where her ceiling is. Hopefully the tier lists can sort it out in the next couple of weeks, but I won’t be relying on them and you shouldn’t either, especially since it looks like she could be a 900k MP investment. I’ll definitely be doing my own research.

2766 - 覚悟の召喚士, Yuna
Ranked Sites: AppMedia (S), PadPlus (3)

I’m extending the holding tank period for new cards to two weeks. It doesn’t took like any of the FF cards are going to stick on the list.

2765 - 片翼の天使, Sephiroth
Ranked Sites: AppMedia (S-), PadPlus (2)

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2780 - 解放者, Lightning
Ranked Sites: PadPlus (1)

If it means anything, GameWith removed her from their holding tank and she didn’t make their list.

2768 - 暗黒騎士, Cecil
Ranked Sites: PadPlus (5)

Cecil’s buffs resulted in increased interest on Pad-Plus, but it’s uncertain whether it’s enough to vault him onto the tier lists. 45.56x ATK and 2.25x RCV seem pretty good — like an upgraded Zaerog∞ — but there are many other factors that go into being a good lead.


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Game8

Original source
Changes from last time: Xiang Mei added to S, Rukia A➞S, Neptune Dragon S➞A, Yomi Dragon S➞A, Lightning removed from A
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus
SS
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
S
2756 - 紅蘭の君子, Xiang Mei
2679 - Asst Capt of 13th Squad, Rukia Kuchiki
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
2662 - Awoken Pandora
A
2445 - The Greatest Enemy, Raoh
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
2393 - Awoken Idunn&Idunna
2443 - Returning-Claw Blue Dragonbound, Ryune
2566 - Ancestral Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
2465 - Ushio & Tora
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
2441 - Judging-Claw Orange Dragonbound, Saria
2395 - Awoken Thor
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
2013 - Awoken Anubis

I remember the time when Game8 was notorious for playing musical chairs with their tier list. I’m not saying it’s happening again, but it’s suspicious that as two enter the S-tier, two also leave. In this case, it’s Neptune and Yomi Dragon that are getting the boot, making way for a cuter S-tier with Xiang Mei and Rukia.

Game8 Changes of Note

Card Notes
2756 - 紅蘭の君子, Xiang Mei
Change: Added to S

Game8’s explanation of Xiang Mei’s ranking doesn’t really tell us anything. It’s basically: “sucks that she isn’t bind immune, but she does a lot of damage and has a lot of HP and RCV so she’s pretty good”.

2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
Change: S➞A

Even if Neptune and Yomi Dragons are becoming relatively less powerful as the meta shifts, I still think they’re better or as good as most other leaders. Downgrades aren’t surprising, but the rest of the list needs to be adjusted in turn.

2780 - 解放者, Lightning
Change: Removed from A

Removing a questionable addition the week after is fairly typical for Game8.


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GameWith

Original source
Changes from last time: Xiang Mei added to SS
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus
SS
2756 - 紅蘭の君子, Xiang Mei
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
S
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
2662 - Awoken Pandora
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
A
2566 - Ancestral Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia
2443 - Returning-Claw Blue Dragonbound, Ryune
2393 - Awoken Idunn&Idunna
2679 - Asst Capt of 13th Squad, Rukia Kuchiki
2445 - The Greatest Enemy, Raoh
2441 - Judging-Claw Orange Dragonbound, Saria
2395 - Awoken Thor
2013 - Awoken Anubis
B
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
2509 - Cutting-Claw Green Dragonbound, Sylvie
2394 - Awoken Freyja
2012 - Awoken Ra
2465 - Ushio & Tora
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer

GameWith Changes of Note

Card Notes
2756 - 紅蘭の君子, Xiang Mei
Change: Added to SS

SS is an ambitious ranking, especially when you consider GameWith is usually more deliberate in adding new cards. Xiang Mei is obviously powerful, but I think GameWith jumping on the train so early is a reflection of their faith in her power level. It remains to be seen how she’ll pan out in the long run, though, as equating her to Ra Dragon is aggressive.


Jump to: Game8 | GameWith | GameWith Farming | AppMedia | Pad-Plus


GameWith Farming

*This list isn’t factored into the aggregate result.
Original source
Changes from last time: None
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus
S
2006 - Avowed Thief, Ishikawa Goemon
2179 - God of the Destroying Lance, Odin
2657 - Heroic God-Emperor, Yamato Takeru
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
A
2445 - The Greatest Enemy, Raoh
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
2226 - 制約と誓約, Gon Freecss
2764 - Cloud & Fenrir
1951 - Tome-Creating White Phantom Demon, Ilm
2227 - 神速, Killua Zoldyck
B
2566 - Ancestral Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia
2691 - Capt of 10th Squad, Toshiro Hitsugaya
2689 - Former R&D Chief, Kisuke Urahara
2134 - Batman+Batmobile
2528 - Awoken Machine Zeus

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AppMedia

Original source
Changes from last time: Xiang Mei added to S
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus
SS
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
S+
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
2662 - Awoken Pandora
2679 - Asst Capt of 13th Squad, Rukia Kuchiki
2677 - Hollow Ichigo Kurosaki
2013 - Awoken Anubis
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
S
2566 - Ancestral Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
2756 - 紅蘭の君子, Xiang Mei
2766 - 覚悟の召喚士, Yuna
2445 - The Greatest Enemy, Raoh
2392 - Awoken Freyr
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
2443 - Returning-Claw Blue Dragonbound, Ryune
2393 - Awoken Idunn&Idunna
2441 - Judging-Claw Orange Dragonbound, Saria
2395 - Awoken Thor
S-
2765 - 片翼の天使, Sephiroth
2325 - Awoken Yomi
2509 - Cutting-Claw Green Dragonbound, Sylvie
2394 - Awoken Freyja
2012 - Awoken Ra
2011 - Awoken Bastet
2230 - 気狂いピエロ, Kite
2764 - Cloud & Fenrir

AppMedia Changes of Note

Card Notes
2756 - 紅蘭の君子, Xiang Mei
Change: Added to S

AppMedia is usually like Game8 in overrating new cards, so their rather conservative S rank for Xiang Mei is a bit surprising.


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Pad-Plus

*This list isn’t factored into the aggregate result.
Original source
Changes from last time: Lightning 2➞1, Sephiroth 1➞2, Cecil added to 5, Pandora 5➞6, AD Lucifer 6➞9, Yuna 10➞7, Ra Dragon 7➞8, Rukia 8➞10, Juggler removed from 11, Sakuya 14➞13, Ichigo removed from 13, Yomi 15➞14, Yomi Dragon added to 15
1
2780 - 解放者, Lightning
2
2765 - 片翼の天使, Sephiroth
3
2766 - 覚悟の召喚士, Yuna
4
2764 - Cloud & Fenrir
5
2768 - 暗黒騎士, Cecil
6
2662 - Awoken Pandora
7
2044 - Determined Summoner, Yuna
8
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
9
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
10
2679 - Asst Capt of 13th Squad, Rukia Kuchiki
11
2032 - Renegade Hero, Sephiroth
12
2013 - Awoken Anubis
13
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
14
2325 - Awoken Yomi
15
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon

I’d be surprised if Xiang Mei was not #1 next week.


For details on the aggregation method or each Japanese site used, refer to this page (link someday).

19 thoughts on “JP Aggregate Leader List: Trial Week 8

  1. Orchid is OP, and I don’t think that GH properly tested her, because she’s leagues beyond anything they’ve released to this point in terms of raw potential. Even without the system team, she still can solo Mecha Zeus.

    So, let’s talk ratings. I personally put her on par with RaDra, but I’m surprised that GameWith, the list I chose as my champion last time around, agrees. Hell, they even skipped putting her in their holding tank and went directly for SS, a bold move. But a 2.25/81/1x team with 6K natural rcv plus autoheals… there’s some SERIOUS staying power there, and also some crazy killing power. As someone who plays I&I/Ryune, my highest of high bursts are about the same as one row match for Orchid, and Orchid has only about 5K less HP, and heals almost as well…

    S from Game8 is pretty fair. Saying that only RaDragon is better is pretty good of itself. I think that RaDra will still be the more prominent leader, because people who main RaDra already know how to play RaDra, and they just got ZeusDra to play with, who fixes the HP issue that RaDra tends to have.

    Tangent: Which makes me wonder, will we eventually get Radar Gentleman Flowers? Six months from now perhaps? If it has the same AS, I can see people running two of them for the system… assuming they come with an SBR, which they SHOULDN’T in terms of how broken that would be. /tangent

    S from AppMedia is a bit low IMO. That’s like A tier for Game8, and that’s a bit TOO conservative. Meh, I anticipate it rising in the next few updates.

    Nepdra and Yomigon dropping is interesting. I’m not sure if I disagree though, which is interesting. I could see arguments for it. Not sure how I feel about Rukia over them, I know she’s strong, but better than Nepdra? IDK, I don’t know enough about her to judge, need to do some research, but I’m too lazy since I won’t roll her 😛 APanda and ALuci are interesting of themselves. I’ve never considered them more powerful than NorseBound teams, but maybe they are…? I guess Eschamali helps out ALuci, but I can’t even think that APanda is that much better than I&I on Rye…? IDK, I pass.

    All in all, SUPER hyped about Orchid, I’m swinging back and forth between waiting until all of the flowers are revealed… Or brutally dismantling my box to reach 900K MP the day she arrives 😀 I’ll probably just buy one and call it good for now… but DAMN is the system OP…

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    • First week evaluations are almost always wrong. Xiang Mei is obviously great, but I’d let her marinate before equating her to Ra Dragon. I mean, she isn’t even bind immune and saying her sub pool is shallow is an understatement. I’m just wondering how they’re going to screw over wood, and probably water, this time.

      Pandora is significantly better than the Norse-Dragonbound pairs and it’s not particularly close. Pandora blows out Lucifer in almost all situations as well.

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      • Err…I’m kind of confused. With Arena 2.0 being one of the major metrics of endgame progression, how could this not mean much when this leader can beat it with only 3 subs? I realize not being bind proof is a knock on her, but when you can include a bind clearer at almost no detriment to your team does that really mean a whole lot?

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        • One run of Arena 2 with 3 subs doesn’t mean much, especially in a dungeon where consistency is the most important factor.

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        • Are you someone that gets duped easily by PAD hype? I know I used to, which is why I now know you can’t use material like this as a basis of objective leader judgment. Yes, Arena 2 is a major endgame metric, but what does it matter if you can do something handicapped? That doesn’t make you better at doing that thing. Impressive? Yes. Better? Not necessarily. An indicator of future potential? Maybe.

          Think of it this way: would the Olympics hand out super special medals for those that finished in first with a self-imposed handicap? What is defined as a handicap, anyways? It doesn’t make any sense.

          Besides, Ra Dragon — and probably many other teams — can do it with 3 subs too, but since there’s no hype no one will get excited about it.

          There was a similar comparison previously in Ra Dragon vs. Yomi Dragon. Ra obviously had more potential, but Yomi had just enough going for it that it could be mentioned in the same breath at a certain point in the meta. Things change; now it’s not. Ra Dragon and Xiang Mei are both great at Arena 2, but trying to muddle the argument with who can do more with a greater handicap is pointless. The true test will be when harder content comes out and whether they can adapt; at this point in time my money is on the much more flexible Ra Dragon, but it could definitely go any number of ways.

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          • I’m excited that she’s strong enough to purchase and that I have Uriel and Gadius, but I think I’m more excited to see where they’re going to go with the other attributes:) I’m very light IAP, but have been playing for bloody ever so I have almost 600k mp built up. Was just shy enough on subs for Radra and Yomidra that I never pulled the trigger and Shivadra didn’t seem a big enough step past what I already was running.

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            • It’s great to hear that you now have a great endgame option; I’m sure many people feel the same, especially after getting trolled by Gadius rolls. I, too, am excited to see what the other colors get (especially wood… gungho pls).

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        • Did you even watch the video? The guy had RNG on his side the entire way. He should have died like 10 times.

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  2. I have a feeling the reason she has no sub attribute (on a 9-star, when they recently buffed unevolved 5-star pantheon gods to have one for very little reason) is that the next gimmick gung-ho will introduce is attributes/sub-attributes that are not a regular color, but Hearts, Jammers, and poison, so that when you match those it will act as an attack in addition to the regular effect. Or perhaps I’m over speculating? Seems weird though right?

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    • My first thought is that you’re over-speculating, but I wouldn’t put it past GungHo. It would make particular sense if they were serious about pushing jammers, but on the other hand it would make those special orbs less unique.

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  3. I’ll be transitioning from Yomidra to APanda, and I’m planning on hypermaxing her main sub pool this 10x. I know that you play APanda quite a bit Setsu, what are the primary cards I need to hyper this 10x?

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    • My personal preference: Akechi > DValk > Pandora (for uuevo) > Zuoh > D/D Haku > Loki > Grisar > whatever utility. I think Akechi is the only one that has “must do” status, so everything after that can be your personal preference for how you play the game.

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  4. I was wondering about your opinion on the current status of A. Sakuya and Yomi Dragon. Obviously you have talked about how in the current endgame there are better leaders with more clear potential, consistency, and sub-pools, but would you say that they are unplayable past arena 1 or just not as optimal? Also would you say there is an obvious point where they fall off in viability in dungeons/content or is that also when arena 1 was classified as the extreme end game and where Yomi Dragon was a great option for that dungeon.

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    • Yeah, they just aren’t consistent enough past Arena 1 (not that Sakuya was all that consistent). That’s a pretty broad stroke that doesn’t apply to every little thing, but for the most part their use kinda dies past that point since, in general, the damage bars and incoming damage are too high on top of any utility requirements. However, I think the current bar is a little unfair — misleading, even — since Arena 2 is so unrewarding for the investment and soloing co-op dungeons hardly means anything practical, either. So from a practical standpoint the discrepancy doesn’t really matter too much–yet, anyways.

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