JP Aggregate Leader List
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Disclaimer: The aggregate list is basically a compilation of the leader tier lists from three JP PAD sites: Game8, GameWith and AppMedia. The idea is that while a single tier list can have many points of contention, hopefully an aggregate can kind of smooth things over (it doesn’t, really, but it helps a bit). I try to keep my hands off the results as much as possible; the extent of my involvement is setting the algorithm to aggregate the results. I wish I could be fully hands off, but as none of the lists have 1:1 correlation in their grades, I have to have that much involvement. Don’t take these ratings as fact; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which leads are actually the best for your specific situation.
I delayed this week’s update a bit in hopes of snagging some changes for the uevos revealed in the last JP stream. So far only Game8 has updated so that will have to suffice.
JP Aggregate Leader List Changes of Note
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Change: Added to 3
This seems like a pretty reasonable placement. |
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Change: ❀➞3
I was a bit confused by this change, but apparently Game8 left him off their list entirely, presumably by mistake, and I failed to notice. He’s back this week. Outside maybe Dantalion, he’s the worst in the tier. |
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Change: 3➞❀
This happened because Game8 replaced him with dark Kanna. I’m a little skeptical about that change. |
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Change: Added to ❀
A strong showing for a card without an ultimate. I don’t expect her to stick too long, but I’m still excited for her to reach NA. |
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Change: Removed from ❀
One Lakshmi replaced with another. |
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Ranked Sites: Game8 (A)
Well, at least Game8 seems to agree with my initial evaluation of Shiva. I don’t expect him to stay long, but I do think he’s better than Dantalion so he has an outside shot of staying on their list for a decent amount of time. |
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Ranked Sites: Game8 (A)
Lakshmi, on the other hand, I expect to to stay on the list a bit longer. One detail I didn’t know at the time of the stream was how her heart clause scaled. The full multiplier tops out at eight connected hearts, one more than her awoken. The same applies to Parvati. This doesn’t change my evaluation of her too much, but it is a little unfortunate that it wasn’t just a flat buff. |
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Ranked Sites: Game8 (A)
I still don’t like Parvati as much as Lakshmi due to lacking a few key synergies, but I do believe that she’s a great leader. |
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Ranked Sites: Game8 (A)
I brushed off Ilm as a farming lead and while that’s true to a certain extent, I most certainly underestimated how proficient she (?) would be at it. The Ilm pair looks good, but what’s even more surprising is the revo Minerva and Ilm pair in Arena 1. The damage output is more than sufficient and Minerva resists all the big threats in the dungeon. |
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Ranked Sites: Game8 (A)
Kanna replaces Nobunaga on Game8’s list, a change I have a hard time accepting. Kanna is a fine leader, but all the videos I’ve seen only confirm my worries about the team’s damage. |
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For details on the aggregation method or each Japanese site used, refer to this page (link someday).
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It’s a shame that besides Izanagi none of the Japanese 2 Awokens can make the list. Besides Ame (which is the worst Awoken form ever) they all are fine leaders, I feel like the heart meta pretty much ruined everything for Glass Cannon leaders. I mean Kaede and Sumire were just fine, since they already had the mechanic but I feel like Myr is the reason why cards like U&Y or Kushi will have a hard time. A few months ago they would be praised as top tier leaders…
Gung-ho pretty much ruined their own game
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There were quite a few mistakes GungHo made in rolling out the heart-cross mechanic. While it’s unfortunate that players have to explore new leads knowing that they’re just flat out inferior, to a farmable lead to boot, at the very least they’ve been interesting. I’m curious to see where they go from here.
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Are they legally allowed to debuff the heart crosses?
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Technically, yes. There are constraints other than legal ones, though, mainly in the form of self-regulations.
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Has Tsubaki’s buff been released yet?
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If you mean the one for winning the last stream event, no. If you mean the one from a while ago one reaching NA, then yes.
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It has finally happened. Radra has hit honorable mention tier
I think revo Lak should make it on. She actually did get a flat buff, in the sense her RCV multiplier increased from 1.5>2, meaning that she resembles a Blonia team’s survivability even more
Recently saw an Arena 3 solo using her that cleared with a fairly standard team
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*actually he was already there last week, I missed it. General idea still stands though, although his uuevo may or may not help him back up
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Imagine the shitstorm on NA when the MP Dragon uuevos are busted to all hell and the large majority of the playerbase can’t even evolve them.
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My comment on Lakshmi was in the context of the ATK multiplier and the orb requirement to hit the maximum multiplier. If you want to get technical, it was a strict damage buff since you still get a higher multiplier for the same amount of orbs (0.5 more at the same amount of connected orbs), but the point is that the increase in firepower isn’t as straightforward as it seemed (i.e. not a flat/straight buff) and shouldn’t be taken as such, which is the misconception I had first seeing the card after the stream. Still good, but unfortunate that it wasn’t on the scale I had hoped.
The RCV buff is certainly nice, but is probably the least relevant of the 4 major buffs she received, behind the damage, skill boost and increased stats.
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Notably, 2.25x RCV vs 4x RCV is a pretty big difference, and goes pretty well with her insanely high HP. While a buff to her unconditional multiplier would have been nice, I would think that would make her a little too strong maybe unless GH is desperately trying to break the heart cross meta with brute force
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Yeah, the RCV difference is huge, but Lakshmi never had a huge problem healing. So the buff is good, especially in long dungeons, but in my opinion it’s not that significant relative to the other buffs.
What I’m trying to get at is that the improvements to her ATK multiplier are not as good as they might seem. Although 125% damage at 4-7 hearts is still a substantial buff, it’s not as big as it could’ve been before the actual scaling was revealed. As this is her most important change, expectations should be tempered appropriate. That’s all I’m saying.
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I think Sumire should get a buff.. I’ve tried her out with two Sumires on the team (sold one long ago) so its not an ideal team… and her damage is just pretty sad. I feel like out of the heart cross sisters, You have to essentially stall with her.. Its like you have to whittle down opponent’s HP then do more water matches while Miru and Kaede can essentially 1 hit everything with a row or TPA. Or perhaps they just meant it that way to emphasize Sumire’s tankiness type of style? I’m interested in the next round of buffs.. Revo Bastet/Ra/Sakuya, hopefully they bring back some excitement.. I want to use the random 3 Dkali’s I pulled (after the Sakuya meta) hahaa
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It’s hard to argue for buffs for any heart-crosser even if she’s weaker than her peers. Yeah, the damage isn’t great, but it’s amusing that even that level of damage is considered poor in today’s game.
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Do you have any advise for my teams? I’m currently running either a A.DQXQ / Gadius / L/D Venus / Valk Rose / Ars Nova (solo) or Gadius / Kiriko / A. DQXQ / Valk Rose / Gadius (flex) with my wife’s Saria/Light team. Here is my box.
https://www.padherder.com/user/Carl/monsters/#31,0,31,8191,4294967295_63,0,,0,0,0,eq,0,0,0,0,;default,0
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Box questions are to be reserved for the Godfest Help post. Read the rules.
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Sorry about that. I don’t think I can remove now.
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No problem. If you’re still interested in asking for advice, the Godfest Help post usually goes up within a few hours of the official GungHo NA Facebook announcement. The mid-month godfest should happen in about 10 days, give or take a few days. I wish I could answer everyone’s questions, but I only have so much time so I prefer to limit questions like box and team help to that time. Thank you for the interest.
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Should we even roll in this next Godfest with PCGF this close? Also it seems that sub Ilm is getting more attention but I defiantly leaning towards leader Ilm. Since you are using Light/Fire the sub attribute helps out the damage along with the dragon killer. I think that counts for more the the TPA/Row and extra attack. The other considerations are the extra attribute for high defense monsters but that is probably negated by fire binds so that feels like a moot point. I guess I’m just saying its a good balance, you choose what your needs are.
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Whether you should roll before the PCGF or not depends on your circumstances. While the PCGF always represents good value, it’s not always the best for everyone. Factors such as dupe risk, cards you want likely not making the lineup and the tendency of the lineup to be dominated by 6-star GFEs should be taken into consideration, among other reasons. GungHo usually tries to pump out quality godfest lineups leading up to the PCGF, too, so I could easily see rolling in one of those instead.
If you only had a single Ilm, I’d agree that you should go with her leader version even if you don’t really intend to lead with her. I agree that the dragon killer makes up for the missing awakenings. Killers are so good — god, devil, and dragon in particular, maybe machine, too — that it’s a bit ridiculous. If you intend to lead with her at all, like in Arena 1 with the revo Minerva pairing, then the choice is obvious.
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A question. I was going through your aggregate list and I noticed that Robin Hood fell out of the tier list without an explanation between weeks 31 and 32. Can you explain why?
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Game8’s A-tier has a significant amount of influence on the lower tiers of the aggregate and they removed him in their revamp. It’s not a true tier, though, since they only list the top three leaders from each element not already on the list. Since there’s so many better wood leads, Robin Hood fell off.
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Makes sense. Does this impact the higher tiers as well, and could it lead to inflation of the ratings of cards like Armored Batman, Gremory, Kinnikuman, etc.? Or does the scale only have a significant impact on the lower tiers?
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What I mean was that Game8’s A-tier isn’t a true tier, but the aggregate still treats it as one so there’s the possibility of certain discrepancies rising. Since there could be a world that the 3 best remaining leads for an element are all worse than the next 10 for another, but those 3 will still show up on Game8’s A-tier and be weighed into the aggregate while 7 from the other element would not even though they technically qualify. Not saying this is the case here necessarily — although it likely is since wood is so much deeper than other elements atm — but this is the type of thing that can happen when they make a tier like this and it will definitely have an effect on the aggregate list. So in the case of Robin Hood, there’s probably a case where he could make Game8’s A-tier, but since he’s not in the top 3 remaining for wood (in their opinion) he won’t show up on their list.
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