JP Aggregate Leader List: Week 36

JP Aggregate Leader List

Changes from last time: Ilm added to 3, Xiang Mei 3➞❀, Shiva added to ❀, Lakshmi added to ❀, Parvati added to ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier
1
2972 - Green Earth Wind Dragon Caller, Kaede
2995 - Bursting Great Earl of Hell, Ronove
2969 - Star Cutting Time Dragon Caller, Myr
2
3125 - 奇跡の逆転ファイター・Kinnikuman
3112 - Sniper at Rest, Myr
2999 - Hell Eye's Evil Duchess, Gremory
2827 - Armored Batman
3
3068 - 灼天の勇将神, Krishna
2971 - Indigo Ocean Water Dragon Caller, Sumire
3235 - 魔究の狂幻魔, Ilm
2984 - Awoken Izanagi
2943 - Destroying Wing Dragon Emperor, Sherias Roots
2997 - Crowned Sacred King of Hell, Paimon
3090 - Chaotic Black Dragonbound Armor, Ana
3241 - Reincarnated Shiva
2756 - Crimson Orchid Virtue, Xiang Mei
2991 - Confusing Face Great Duke of Hell, Dantalion
3069 - Heavenly Virtuous Goddess, Sarasvati
3242 - Reincarnated Lakshmi
2758 - Blue Bamboo Virtue, You Yu
2749 - Awoken Artemis
2945 - Steel Wand Mech Dragon God, Balboa
3243 - Reincarnated Parvati
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
2924 - Rebellious Demon, Oda Nobunaga
3129 - 悪魔超人最後の刺客・Akuma Shogun

Disclaimer: The aggregate list is basically a compilation of the leader tier lists from three JP PAD sites: Game8, GameWith and AppMedia. The idea is that while a single tier list can have many points of contention, hopefully an aggregate can kind of smooth things over (it doesn’t, really, but it helps a bit). I try to keep my hands off the results as much as possible; the extent of my involvement is setting the algorithm to aggregate the results. I wish I could be fully hands off, but as none of the lists have 1:1 correlation in their grades, I have to have that much involvement. Don’t take these ratings as fact; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which leads are actually the best for your specific situation.


This post was delayed because I ran into some technical difficulties with the cloud IDE I’m using, but I think I figured out a workaround. There was also a problem saving the ranking data from last week so the listed changes might be mistaken; I did my best to hand correct them. I was hoping the delay would mean picking up possible Halloween updates, but it looks like only GameWith has updated.

JP Aggregate Leader List Changes of Note

Card Notes
3235 - 魔究の狂幻魔, Ilm
Change: Added to 3

MAthena is my team of choice for Arena farming, but I can see Ilm-Minerva becoming a favorite for DC solo runs, especially since the team is reasonably accessible (even if you don’t have an Ilm).

3242 - Reincarnated Lakshmi
Change: Added to ❀

It seems a bit ridiculous, but these days the bar is set so high for leaders that even quality ones like the revo Indians can barely make the cut.

New Card Holding Tank

New cards will be held here temporarily in an attempt to isolate the aggregate list from knee-jerk ratings.
Card Notes
3222 - 紅蘭の黒魔女・Xiang Mei
Ranked Sites: GameWith (B)

From the research I’ve done for my Halloween REM review, Halloween Xiang Mei is better than the original, but not by such a margin to make her a great card again.


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Game8

Original source
Changes from last time: Ilm A➞AA, Sumire AA➞A, Kushinadahime added to A, June Eschamali added to A, Oda Nobunaga added to A, You Yu removed from A, Acala removed from A, Kanna removed from A
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus
SS
2972 - Green Earth Wind Dragon Caller, Kaede
2995 - Bursting Great Earl of Hell, Ronove
2969 - Star Cutting Time Dragon Caller, Myr
S
3125 - 奇跡の逆転ファイター・Kinnikuman
3112 - Sniper at Rest, Myr
2827 - Armored Batman
2999 - Hell Eye's Evil Duchess, Gremory
3090 - Chaotic Black Dragonbound Armor, Ana
AA
3068 - 灼天の勇将神, Krishna
2984 - Awoken Izanagi
2997 - Crowned Sacred King of Hell, Paimon
3235 - 魔究の狂幻魔, Ilm
A
2756 - Crimson Orchid Virtue, Xiang Mei
2991 - Confusing Face Great Duke of Hell, Dantalion
3241 - Reincarnated Shiva
3069 - Heavenly Virtuous Goddess, Sarasvati
3242 - Reincarnated Lakshmi
2971 - Indigo Ocean Water Dragon Caller, Sumire
3070 - 均衡の創界神, Vishnu
2983 - Awoken Kushinadahime
3243 - Reincarnated Parvati
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
2943 - Destroying Wing Dragon Emperor, Sherias Roots
2949 - Saintly Bell Bride, Eschamali
2924 - Rebellious Demon, Oda Nobunaga
3129 - 悪魔超人最後の刺客・Akuma Shogun
2985 - Awoken Okuninushi

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Game8 Co-op

*This list isn’t factored into the aggregate result.
Original source
Changes from last time: None
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus
SS
2528 - Awoken Machine Zeus
2903 - Awoken Liu Bei
S
2901 - Awoken Cao Cao
3074 - Awoken Machine Athena
2526 - Awoken Machine Hera
3071 - 財成の学問神, Ganesha
A
2939 - Treasure Blade Dragon, Drahklist
3083 - Disaster Phantom Dragon, Anima
2006 - Avowed Thief, Ishikawa Goemon
3129 - 悪魔超人最後の刺客・Akuma Shogun

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GameWith

Original source
Changes from last time: Kinnikuman S➞SS, Krishna A➞S, Halloween Xiang Mei added to B, Xiang Mei removed from B
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus
SSS
2972 - Green Earth Wind Dragon Caller, Kaede
SS
3125 - 奇跡の逆転ファイター・Kinnikuman
3112 - Sniper at Rest, Myr
2995 - Bursting Great Earl of Hell, Ronove
2969 - Star Cutting Time Dragon Caller, Myr
2827 - Armored Batman
S
3068 - 灼天の勇将神, Krishna
2984 - Awoken Izanagi
2999 - Hell Eye's Evil Duchess, Gremory
3090 - Chaotic Black Dragonbound Armor, Ana
A
2991 - Confusing Face Great Duke of Hell, Dantalion
2971 - Indigo Ocean Water Dragon Caller, Sumire
2997 - Crowned Sacred King of Hell, Paimon
3129 - 悪魔超人最後の刺客・Akuma Shogun
B
2758 - Blue Bamboo Virtue, You Yu
2749 - Awoken Artemis
2945 - Steel Wand Mech Dragon God, Balboa
3243 - Reincarnated Parvati
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
2943 - Destroying Wing Dragon Emperor, Sherias Roots
3235 - 魔究の狂幻魔, Ilm
3222 - 紅蘭の黒魔女・Xiang Mei

GameWith Changes of Note

3068 - 灼天の勇将神, Krishna
Change: A➞S

An exciting change for those that were already anticipating his arrival on NA.

2756 - Crimson Orchid Virtue, Xiang Mei
Change: Removed from B

Interesting.


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GameWith Farming

*This list isn’t factored into the aggregate result.
Original source
Changes from last time: None
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus
S
2006 - Avowed Thief, Ishikawa Goemon
2903 - Awoken Liu Bei
2528 - Awoken Machine Zeus
2526 - Awoken Machine Hera
A
2939 - Treasure Blade Dragon, Drahklist
2901 - Awoken Cao Cao
2179 - God of the Destroying Lance, Odin
2657 - Heroic God-Emperor, Yamato Takeru
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
3166 - 燃える革命, Dogiragon
3074 - Awoken Machine Athena

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AppMedia

Original source
Changes from last time: None
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus
SSS
2969 - Star Cutting Time Dragon Caller, Myr
3112 - Sniper at Rest, Myr
2972 - Green Earth Wind Dragon Caller, Kaede
SS
3125 - 奇跡の逆転ファイター・Kinnikuman
2995 - Bursting Great Earl of Hell, Ronove
2827 - Armored Batman
S+
2999 - Hell Eye's Evil Duchess, Gremory
2943 - Destroying Wing Dragon Emperor, Sherias Roots
2756 - Crimson Orchid Virtue, Xiang Mei
2971 - Indigo Ocean Water Dragon Caller, Sumire
3235 - 魔究の狂幻魔, Ilm
2997 - Crowned Sacred King of Hell, Paimon
S
2749 - Awoken Artemis
2945 - Steel Wand Mech Dragon God, Balboa
3090 - Chaotic Black Dragonbound Armor, Ana
2984 - Awoken Izanagi
3068 - 灼天の勇将神, Krishna
2924 - Rebellious Demon, Oda Nobunaga
3243 - Reincarnated Parvati
3242 - Reincarnated Lakshmi
3069 - Heavenly Virtuous Goddess, Sarasvati
S-
3173 - 冥道の根源神・Izanagi X
2901 - Awoken Cao Cao
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
3129 - 悪魔超人最後の刺客・Akuma Shogun
3218 - 最強裝備・Flintlock
3241 - Reincarnated Shiva
2758 - Blue Bamboo Virtue, You Yu
2991 - Confusing Face Great Duke of Hell, Dantalion

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Pad-Plus

*This list isn’t factored into the aggregate result.
Original source
Changes from last time: None
1
3125 - 奇跡の逆転ファイター・Kinnikuman
2
3129 - 悪魔超人最後の刺客・Akuma Shogun
3
3218 - 最強裝備・Flintlock
4
2995 - Bursting Great Earl of Hell, Ronove
5
3159 - 暁天の蒼空神, Khepri
6
2985 - Awoken Okuninushi
7
2982 - Awoken Umisachi&Yamasachi
8
3112 - Sniper at Rest, Myr
9
2969 - Star Cutting Time Dragon Caller, Myr
10
2983 - Awoken Kushinadahime
11
2999 - Hell Eye's Evil Duchess, Gremory
12
3202 - 慈悲之神・Acala
13
3068 - 灼天の勇将神, Krishna
14
2972 - Green Earth Wind Dragon Caller, Kaede
15
2971 - Indigo Ocean Water Dragon Caller, Sumire

If their most recent post is any indicator, Pad-Plus is changing to a monthly post rather than a weekly one. If this is the case, then this data becomes significantly less interesting and I’ll probably just remove it. I’ll give them a month or so to see what they settle on.


For details on the aggregation method or each Japanese site used, refer to this page (link someday).

27 thoughts on “JP Aggregate Leader List: Week 36

  1. Exciting things coming up! I’m very excited for the new Krishna! Although he may be low on TE and he’s bindable, he still seems pretty awesome.

    Also, surprised to not see ReMinerva anywhere. She has been seen clearing Arena 3..

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    • There are plenty of leads that can clear Arena 3. What matters is speed, consistency and the ability to handle all Radar Dragons. No to mention relevancy outside that dungeon.

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    • Minerva is basically just the new and shiny version of the Awilda cheese team for A1 and 2. (And 3 I suppose?) 36x damage is enough to speed it up quite a bit, and resisting 3 elements 75% makes you safe from most (all?) important preemptives, but her main draw is having the ability to clear A3 with 100% farmable subs. (Unless you count the inherits, in which case… yeah. But still.)

      Outside of that, she’s still a good leader, just… I really hate to be that guy, but Myr and heart crosses in general are just so damn OP that anything not heart cross is glanced over without a second thought.

      All in all, tier lists work as follows: Ability to clear content, followed by consistency, followed by speed. So, with THE endgame thing to beat being A3, tier lists will eliminate anything not able to beat A3. Then, they start trimming down to the most consistent leads, and then the fastest. We’re at the point where all of the top 3 of Setsu’s aggregate list’s tiers can solo A3, and many of tier * as well. So now it becomes about consistency, and that’s where heart cross jumps WAY ahead. The ability to activate a 75% shield with only 5 hearts is INSANE for increasing the survivability of a team, and nothing compares to it currently. So, from there comes speed, and that’s where Kaede lept ahead early on. the Kaede system is bonkers, and will remain bonkers for a long time. No clue on Ronove, as I have yet to roll him, and haven’t looked any stuff up for him. Myr is the most questionable of the top tier to me, but I suspect that her obscene popularity is why she’s tier 1 rather than tier 2.

      TLDR: Tier lists only care about the bleeding edge of the meta, anything that’s even a little below that point is out. Dozens of leads are able to clear all content, so don’t rely on the lists to tell you who’s good.🙂

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  2. Can’t believe Game8 keep pushing Sumire down, now she’s barely hanging on at A. I just solo cleared all those Rouge Dungeons with her in the Coin Dungeons purchases, and cleared Arena 2 solo. She is definitely stronger than Izanagi, come on Game 8.

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    • I want to love Sumire so much but no, she’s not better than Izanagi. 5 with 1 enhanced is really painful. It means no rows or tpas unless you have a ton of blue orbs, it means activating becomes hard when the board is blue flooded (especially with a cross in there too), and it means sometimes you don’t have enhanced orbs and can’t activate at all (and blue has no akechi equivalent so your enhance fixers kind of suck).

      I cleared arena 2 with Sumire, but I did it by pairing with blue Myr because she’s almost strictly better. I really want to like her and put a lot into the team but the other heart cross leaders are better. Of course Sumire is still a heart cross leader so she still beats most of the other leaders anyway.

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    • Not that Sumire’s damage is terrible, but Izanagi/Myr’s damage gives you much more in return for less orbs. There was a point when OEs could technically hold their own against TPAs and rows since GungHo just stacked more of them on a single card, but with new cards now regularly getting 4+ TPAs or rows, OEs simply can’t compete on per awakening basis and in order for Sumire to take advantage of such awakenings herself, she needs to pay 5 more offensive orbs up front. It’s just a matter of ease and consistency of use.

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  3. So you basically smash an HP and/or RCV Multiplier on a spike leader and he will be put on the tier lists?😀

    I’m probably an old school player, since I still use AYomi or UUevo UmiYama…At least Kushinada is still doing well on pad plus, but seeing how she is in the ‘popular waifu’ category (like Bastet and Sakuya) this shouldn’t come as a surprise…

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    • Well, it’s been that way since the MP Dragons, so it shouldn’t come as much of a surprise. It’s just that the heart-cross escalated the issue. With how much they’ve pumped up enemy damage and added mechanics that force you to tank hits (absorb/void shields, perseverance, etc), it’s hard to envision a day where we go back to glass cannons being king.

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    • Disconnect runs, basically you find a co-op partner to mutually disconnect with to run solo; you get the 1/2 stamina benefit but can still play at your own leisure.

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  4. Huh. What pushed Myr up to SSS and left BMyr at SS?

    Also, I think red and dark XM are almost equal. Definitely not enough to kick one off and leave the other. The red one has more RCV since all healer subs have good RCV, but same cant be said for devils. The dark one bursts harder, but has significantly less ability to heal up if you stack Akechi

    A broad subpool of dark devils, but only select few are actually good. Also, can’t use Typhon.

    But really, I don’t see why they kicked red XM off and replaced her with dark. It can be argued that red might even be better

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    • I made this case on the forum

      Generally HXM teams want two uuevo Pandora, which for the sake of numbers has about the same RCV of two Uriel, but missing one row each, gains time extends. Uriel has auto heals, which aid in stalling.

      So right now it’s pretty even.

      HXM teams run one or more D/D Akechi. He has terrible RCV. Lets say he takes the place of Gadius in order to create killboards with his enhance dark tacked on to his active. You lose a big chunk of HP, but enhancing the board makes your team do a lot more damage. Akechi also has great attack stat, much better than Gadius. However, running more than one means your RCV suffers.

      I think a misconception is that XM (in general) is an unkillable tank just because the leads have super RCV and heart making actives. However, without augmented RCV, she actually struggles to heal up to full without eating up hearts. This can be a problem when dealing with repeated gravities. Also, prioritizing Akechi over dupe uuevo Pandora hurts your RCV even more, and you lose an active that makes enhanced heal, which again, adds to the problem. That’s why Krishna is favored. Not only is his sub pool infinitely larger, but the RCV actually makes him tankier than XM in all regards except for a heart making system

      In terms of binds, XM has gadius and RHH for budget teams. HXM has nobu, Lubu, and gremory. Not accounting for the rarity of bind clears on HXM, it’s pretty even still.

      Delay. Inherits. No comparison.

      Color. HXM wins in most situations, because dark is unresisted. HOWEVER, dark absorbs are fairly common compared to red absorbs, so that could be considered a weakness.

      Acessibility. For extra 100k MP, you can get two XM, a substantial boost that puts a standard red XM team over a HXM team with only the lead

      So…

      Tank: XM>HXM

      More HP on devils, but low overall RCV still = ded even with high RCV leads. Auto heal on Uriels

      Damage: HXM>XM

      Akechi. Dark is unresisted. No contest

      Utility: XM = HXM

      Not counting rarity, it’s pretty close I’d say. Thing is, Gadius is a staple, and more common. Delays, awoken Okuni is more practical than Orochi inherit on HXM.

      It might be worth noting unless you have Asmodeous, there isn’t a board changer for HXM to get rid of hazards like poison. Remedied by inherits, but it’s not a complete fix

      Both are completely outclassed by heart cross leads. But this is a general overview

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    • RCV is a bogus argument. You get so many hearts per turn, fueled by the stacking hastes from Awoken Pandora and your lead Xiang Meis, that healing is never really a problem. The dark team doesn’t actually trail in RCV that much since the bulk comes from the leader XMs anyways.

      Sub pool isn’t even close. Fire has like what, two non-XM subs that are mediocre at best while dark has Pandora and Akechi and a strong supporting cast. I don’t know why people are fixated on trying to make equivalent teams for HXM when the original XM subs are horrible; XM is good in spite of the sub pool, not because of them. You don’t need to construct or play the team the same way when you have dark’s subs. Typhon is a bad sub you don’t want to run anyways.

      Now, does that mean HXM is appreciably better than XM (or arguably worse depending on your opinion) to be in a separate tier? Probably not. And even if they should be separate, it doesn’t really matter. Nitpicking over the placement of fading leads on a questionable ranking system in the first place is pretty much a waste of time.

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    • Regarding Myr, apparently the reason Game8 has her ranked higher is because light has better TPA support than water. I guess the new thing is to run base subs like Ariel and Kanna to complement regular subs that already have TPAs like Wukong and Apocalypse and blaze through content due to the orb efficiency. With the Gemstone buffs, the need for Akechi or rows in general for burst is reduced. Water has decent TPA support like Scheat and Sun Quan, but they don’t really compare to Ariel and Kanna, mostly because those two are bind immune which means you don’t have to dedicate a sub or assist skill slot for a bind clear. I guess Famiel is a thing, but her active is generally inferior for skill inheritance, even with the laser now hitting all enemies.

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  5. I’m sooo done with this crap right now. Spending hours upon hours in annihilation tier dungeons with XM really made me think about how much RCV I really had when everything hits for 50k, and now I’m seeing people run subs with trash RCV and still healing 50k easily

    Mathematically speaking, Uriel and Gadius have about 2/3 the RCV as XM herself. 1000 compared to 1500. The fact that I run two XM made me think that not having those RCV sticks would hurt

    I guess this fiasco on the forums and padx pretty much tore up any credibility I had. Kill me now…

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    • I will object to the subpool comment. One last chance at half redemption. Uriel and Gadius are the staples for XM, Akechi, Pandora, Batman, and Gremory are staples for HXM. Limited subpool vs wider subpool including collab golds and 6* GFEs. The subpools I feel are closer than what you make it out to be. It’s a very standard set of subs for both sides, there is no such “large supporting cast” beyond typing requirements

      I primarily mentioned Typhon because his active forms with Akechi the 3/2 ratio board, not for Typhon himself.

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      • Uriel is a bad sub with 4 useless awakenings. This was fine when he was released, but he’s way behind the curve right now. Gadius is a mediocre utility sub at best.

        I don’t know why you’re limiting subs only to things that make hearts. There’s a thing called skill inheritance so you can use a wide variety of dark orb changers as base subs. Much like with Myr, since your leaders only make hearts, you can complement them with just pure dark orb changers and still be fine. To balance the fact you’re also not getting hearts, these subs come with significantly better offensive awakenings, killers in particular with dark covering a wide variety of types and also having a few double killers. The awakening quality spills over into Gemstone support where HXM can support 3 of the 5 while XM can support 1 at best.

        Once again, I don’t know why people are fixated on replicating XM’s methodology with HXM. Since HXM’s subs are so much better offensively, you don’t need a crutch like a Gadius + Uriel board. That board combination has it’s problems anyways (and it’s a 1:1 board not 3:2). Yes, it guarantees at least a 2-heart combo activation when paired with Uriel where a 2:1 board combination doesn’t, but there are flaws with both board types. Instead, if you need burst, just use a Gemstone or some combination of killer awakenings.

        If we really want to get technical, dark also has access to Cecil and Armored Batman for base board changers.

        Ah, so much wasted breath. If people want to disagree, I’m fine with that. I don’t feel strongly either way, but since it’s happening on my blog I thought I’d at least chime in. No one really ever brings a compelling argument with evidence to support the XM side so unless one is brought up, I probably won’t invest further time into this discussion.

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    • I’ve watched a few HXM annihilation clears, including MZeus, and healing seems to be the least of her problems. Before someone says “it’s because those players combo so well”, true, but another one of the main advantages of the dark sub pool are all the time extends you get. From personal experience with XM, you usually end up overhealing much of the time.

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  6. Honestly, the way the PAD meta is heading, these tier lists are feelling more and more irrelevant. Every lead on these lists (and many not on them) can clear everything short of annihilation dungeons. And with annihilation dungeons are so finicky that the “top” leads on these lists are frequently not the best choices for those dungeons (mech Athena and mech Zeus in particular). I’m not saying there’s no meaning to which leads are stronger mechanically, but it’d probably be more useful if these sites actually talked about which leads are most relevant for specific dungeons.

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    • Tier lists have always been academic. They’re more a tool for people that are too lazy or don’t have the time to do the actual research themselves. Easy to make and easier to consume, they’re not going anywhere. It’d definitely be nice for content makers to get more in depth, but covering everything in a game as “complex” as PAD would be quite an effort.

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  7. Instead of deleting them, I can change them to anonymous posts. I still think there’s some value to people that would read them and if all you want is your name to be dissociated with them, I’d prefer to leave them otherwise unedited. However, if you really want me to remove them, I can, just reply to this post.

    Also, I’m not sure if I can modify or remove your posts from where I am currently so it might have to wait until I get home from work.

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    • that’s fine, ty

      Although you basically tore down my entire argument from roots to details, so I don’t know how a completely invalidated argument would be helpful. But then, what would I know

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