Thoughts on the PCGF Voting Results (Winter 2016)

2972 - Green Earth Wind Dragon Caller, Kaede

We’ve all seen this coming for a long time now and have already experienced the 6-star plague invade last time’s lineup, but, at least for me, the reality finally hit home that the PCGF will never be what it once was. Sure, there were always questionable inclusions, but this time, instead of them occurring because good information failed to trickle down to the lowest common denominator, it happened because there’s little other choice. The bulk of high-impact cards either being shifted outside of the standard REM or to 6-star GFEs leads to 11 of the 25 cards being 6-stars and I can’t really find fault in it; in a popularity contest, what else is left for people to vote for? Even though 6-stars are featured every godfest, people are still going to vote for them regardless of the impact on overall value. The way GungHo has shifted the game away from pantheons made this outcome inevitable; I mean, JP had 10/25 (and this was before the Kanna uevo) and KR also has 11/25 so it’s not like NA is some sort of anomaly.

This is still a great opportunity for veterans chasing a handful of specific cards, dupes be damned. Particularly if those cards would never be featured together otherwise. It’s also still decent for new players with few dupes as there are plenty of core team building blocks whose quality helps overcome the lack of overall value per roll, but on the other hand, variance hits harder which can be difficult for such a player to cope with. For everyone else, it’s time to shift expectations from a highly anticipated event to one that’s just another godfest and adjust their stone budgets accordingly.

Anyways, I’ll once again go over the best and worst of the voting. The over/underrated categories lost a dimension since the voting tallies are hidden, but I’ll keep them around anyways. Just remember that these are just my opinions, heavily influenced by how I personally play the game. If you disagree, I encourage you to let me know in the comments.

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Godfest Help Post: 11/30-12/1

Grading scale. The individual grade is a composite grade of all monsters in it relative to all other pantheons. The combined grade is a composite of all monsters in both pantheons relative to all other combinations of pantheons. Combined grades are not an average of the individual grades, but based on the normal distribution of all possible two-pantheon combinations. Grades do not factor co-op or skill inheritance at this time.
Godfest: Greek & Wisdom Kings 11/30, Three Kingdoms & Wisdom Kings 12/1
Criteria
Day 1 Day 2
Greek Wisdom Kings Three Kingdoms Wisdom Kings
Leader
Individual B+ B- B+ B-
Combined B B+
Sub
Individual B+ B- B+ B-
Combined B B
Overall
Individual B+ B- A- B-
Combined B B

This is a help thread, so please feel free to ask questions on just about anything concerning the godfest or your teams, box and progress in general.

My vacation may be over, but I still have work. Looking to answer about 10 in-depth advice questions overall.

Please read the rules before posting, especially if this is your first time:

  • I will only take box questions that supply a PADherder. It makes it much, much easier for me to give good advice this way (you could say I can’t give good advice without the sorting options). Try PadListener to sync if you’re on Android (if it works for you), otherwise use this method.
  • Box/roll questions that don’t supply rank, IAP status and main teams will be ignored. Any other information you want to supply will only help.
  • Please check the FAQ after the break before asking a question. Questions that aren’t covered by the FAQ will be prioritized; questions that don’t may be ignored.
  • I have WordPress set to flag comments with multiple links to combat spam. I still get the comment, I just have to approve it manually for it to show up on the site. So if your comment doesn’t show up, this might be the case. Ideally, only post a single link to your PADherder.
  • I generally reply on a first come, first serve basis, but if there’s a low hanging fruit I’ll address that first.
  • I will post thread status as bold red comments. Make sure you read these comments before posting to make sure you aren’t violating the rules. I’m no longer segregating comments by day, instead I’ll indicate how many questions I be able to take for a given thread in the first status comment, then stop taking new ones after that.
  • No new questions will be taken after the godfest ends. Questions asked in other posts may be ignored; please wait for the next godfest!
  • Follow-ups to existing questions will be taken as long as the post is still open for comments.
  • I’ll close the post for comments a few hours after the godfest ends.
  • Any comments breaking the rules will be removed without warning.

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Godfest Help Post: 9/17-9/18

Grading scale. The individual grade is a composite grade of all monsters in it relative to all other pantheons. The combined grade is a composite of all monsters in both pantheons relative to all other combinations of pantheons. Combined grades are not an average of the individual grades, but based on the normal distribution of all possible two-pantheon combinations.
Godfest: Chinese & Greek 9/17, Heroes & Egypt 2 9/18
Criteria
Day 1 Day 2
Chinese Greek Heroes Egypt 2
Leader
Individual B B+ B+ B-
Combined B+ B
Sub
Individual B+ B+ A+ C
Combined B+ B
Overall
Individual B B+ A C+
Combined B+ B

This is a help thread, so please feel free to ask questions on just about anything concerning the godfest or your teams, box and progress in general.

Please read the rules before posting, especially if this is your first time:

  • I will only take box questions that supply a PADherder. It makes it much, much easier for me to give good advice this way (you could say I can’t give good advice without the sorting options). Try PadListener to sync if you’re on Android (if it works for you), otherwise use this method.
  • Box/roll questions that don’t supply rank, IAP status and main teams will be ignored. Any other information you want to supply will only help.
  • Please check the FAQ after the break before asking a question. Questions that aren’t covered by the FAQ will be prioritized; questions that don’t may be ignored.
  • WordPress flags comments with multiple links. I still get the comment, I just have to approve it manually for it to show up on the site. So if your comment doesn’t show up, this might be the case. Ideally, only post a single link to your PADherder.
  • I generally reply on a first come, first serve basis, but if there’s a low hanging fruit I’ll address that first.
  • I will post thread status as bold red comments. Make sure you read these comments before posting to make sure you aren’t violating the rules. I’m no longer segregating comments by day, instead I’ll indicate how many questions I be able to take for a given thread in the first status comment, then stop taking new ones after that.
  • No new questions will be taken after the godfest ends. Questions asked in other posts may be ignored; please wait for the next godfest!
  • Follow-ups to existing questions will be taken as long as the post is still open for comments.
  • I’ll close the post for comments a few hours after the godfest ends.
  • Any comments breaking the rules will be removed without warning.

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JP Aggregate Leader List: Week 23

JP Aggregate Leader List

Changes from last time: Ronove added to 1, Gremory added to 2, Oda Nobunaga 2➞3, Cao Cao added to ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier
1
2972 - 碧地の風龍喚士・Kaede
2995 - 爆叫の魔伯爵, Ronove
2
2756 - Crimson Orchid Virtue, Xiang Mei
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
2943 - Destroying Wing Dragon Emperor, Sherias Roots
2969 - 星刻の時龍契士・Miru
2999 - 冥瞳の魔神爵, Gremory
3
2971 - 藍海の水龍喚士・Sumire
2758 - Blue Bamboo Virtue, You Yu
2903 - Awoken Liu Bei
2920 - Godlike Chivalrous Thief, Robin Hood
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
2528 - Awoken Machine Zeus
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
2765 - One-Winged Angel, Sephiroth
2924 - Rebellious Demon, Oda Nobunaga
2901 - Awoken Cao Cao
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
1955 - Awoken Lakshmi
2679 - Asst Capt of 13th Squad, Rukia Kuchiki
1956 - Awoken Parvati
2814 - Library Room's Manager God, Kali
2929 - Moonlit Feline Goddess Armor, Ace
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
2904 - Awoken Da Qiao & Xiao Qiao
2662 - Awoken Pandora
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
2526 - Awoken Machine Hera

Disclaimer: The aggregate list is basically a compilation of the leader tier lists from three JP PAD sites: Game8, GameWith and AppMedia. The idea is that while a single tier list can have many points of contention, hopefully an aggregate can kind of smooth things over (it doesn’t, really, but it helps a bit). I try to keep my hands off the results as much as possible; the extent of my involvement is setting the algorithm to aggregate the results. I wish I could be fully hands off, but as none of the lists have 1:1 correlation in their grades, I have to have that much involvement. Don’t take these ratings as fact; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which leads are actually the best for your specific situation.


Wood is now the best element in the game; never would’ve guessed that only a month ago. It has the best endgame leads in Kaede and Ronove and a strong co-op farming presence with Liu Bei and Zeus-Dios. While Machine Athena hasn’t exactly impressed anyone, she’ll be another valuable tool in the arsenal. Speaking of which, this might finally be Ragnarok Dragon’s time to shine, fitting well on both Ronove and Machine Athena.

JP Aggregate Leader List Changes of Note

Card Notes
2995 - 爆叫の魔伯爵, Ronove
Change: Added to 1

A 5-star being one of the best leaders in the game is only exciting until you find out his best subs are an MP Dragon and a couple 6-star GFEs. Miru is still the best poverty lead option.

2999 - 冥瞳の魔神爵, Gremory
Change: Added to 2

I overrated Gremory and underrated Ronove, but I feel that without Kaede as a sub they’re closer than the tier lists might lead on. I should have factored in the active-reliant leader skill being much worse than it appears, though, and Ronove’s rainbow activation is easier than it seems when you consider his best team has movement time on the same level as Ra Dragon.

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New cards will be held here temporarily in an attempt to isolate the aggregate list from knee-jerk ratings.
Card Notes
3019 - 流浪人, Himura Kenshin
Ranked Sites: Game8 Co-op (A), AppMedia (S+), PadPlus (1)

I’m a bit surprised Kenshin didn’t rate on any of the lists outside AppMedia. Even with only two crosses, the damage is pretty good and considering those are the only two matches you have to make, he can be used effectively by the average player.

3033 - 新撰組三番隊組長, Saito Hajime
Ranked Sites: AppMedia (S+), PadPlus (2)

Saito’s damage isn’t as ridiculous as Kenshin’s, but he more than holds his own and the difference isn’t that great when you consider you’ll only be making one or two crosses in most situations. It’s unfortunate that he has an active-reliant leader skill; as we’ve seen with cards like Ichigo, that isn’t a great place to be.


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JP Aggregate Leader List: Week 22

JP Aggregate Leader List

Changes from last time: Liu Bei ❀➞3
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier
1
2972 - 碧地の風龍喚士・Kaede
2
2756 - Crimson Orchid Virtue, Xiang Mei
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
2943 - Destroying Wing Dragon Emperor, Sherias Roots
2969 - 星刻の時龍契士・Miru
2924 - Rebellious Demon, Oda Nobunaga
3
2971 - 藍海の水龍喚士・Sumire
2758 - Blue Bamboo Virtue, You Yu
2903 - Awoken Liu Bei
2920 - Godlike Chivalrous Thief, Robin Hood
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
2528 - Awoken Machine Zeus
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
2765 - One-Winged Angel, Sephiroth
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
1955 - Awoken Lakshmi
2679 - Asst Capt of 13th Squad, Rukia Kuchiki
1956 - Awoken Parvati
2814 - Library Room's Manager God, Kali
2929 - Moonlit Feline Goddess Armor, Ace
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
2904 - Awoken Da Qiao & Xiao Qiao
2662 - Awoken Pandora
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
2526 - Awoken Machine Hera

Disclaimer: The aggregate list is basically a compilation of the leader tier lists from three JP PAD sites: Game8, GameWith and AppMedia. The idea is that while a single tier list can have many points of contention, hopefully an aggregate can kind of smooth things over (it doesn’t, really, but it helps a bit). I try to keep my hands off the results as much as possible; the extent of my involvement is setting the algorithm to aggregate the results. I wish I could be fully hands off, but as none of the lists have 1:1 correlation in their grades, I have to have that much involvement. Don’t take these ratings as fact; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which leads are actually the best for your specific situation.


For the first time a while, I was ready to do this post on Saturday, but I was waiting on Pad Plus to update their popularity list. Turns out they were actually on time, but they slightly changed things so my script wasn’t picking up the latest page. Then they also slightly changed their format so I had to update scrape script.

JP Aggregate Leader List Changes of Note

Card Notes
2903 - Awoken Liu Bei
Change: ❀➞3

This change is due to GameWith adding him to their SS tier. To be perfectly honest, it’s puzzling why he wasn’t there earlier, considering their list also factors co-op.

New Card Holding Tank

New cards will be held here temporarily in an attempt to isolate the aggregate list from knee-jerk ratings.
Card Notes
2999 - 冥瞳の魔神爵, Gremory
Ranked Sites: Game8 (SS), Game8 Co-op (S), GameWith (S), AppMedia (S+), PadPlus (1)

The consensus seems to be that she’s very strong, but not on Kaede’s level. I don’t think anyone would disagree with that. All other comparisons aside, in practice she’s certainly inferior since she doesn’t have as much movement time as Kaede or Miru. Player skill has never been a stated criteria for these lists, but I’d be surprised if that didn’t play a role in her judgment.

2995 - 爆叫の魔伯爵, Ronove
Ranked Sites: Game8 (S), GameWith (SS), AppMedia (S+), PadPlus (2)

Perhaps to many people’s surprise, Ronove is doing about as well as Gremory in these lists. While the rainbow + heart-cross playstyle might sound intimidating, unlike Gremory, Ronove’s team has plenty of time extends. And, as stated last week, his active is much stronger than it looks in text.

2901 - Awoken Cao Cao
Ranked Sites: Game8 (A), Game8 Co-op (S), GameWith Farming (S), PadPlus (9)

There’s been much talk about how good Cao Cao actually is, but at least from the aggregate’s perspective, Game8 appears to be the outlier. We’ll see where he lands when he leaves the holding tank next week.

3019 - 流浪人, Himura Kenshin
Ranked Sites: AppMedia (S+)

2916x ATK sounds quite impressive, but when you see the team in practice, the damage numbers aren’t as big as you might think (still large, but I was expecting way more). Mainly because your combo count is so low and the only offensive awakening you can consistently take advantage of are OEs. However, I guess saying 8+ digits of damage is “low” just reflects how ridiculous teams are nowadays. Perhaps I’ll be more impressed once JP gets to play with the cards themselves instead of just watching a demo; I’ll reserve judgment until then.

3033 - 新撰組三番隊組長, Saito Hajime
Ranked Sites: AppMedia (S+)

Saito sure looks great on paper, but it’s hard to judge a card just by that. As with Kenshin, I’ll be waiting for videos out of JP.


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JP Aggregate Leader List: Week 21

JP Aggregate Leader List

Changes from last time: Xiang Mei 1➞2, Ra Dragon 1➞2, Sherias Roots 1➞2, Oda Nobunaga added to 2, You Yu 2➞3, Robin Hood added to 3, Rukia 3➞❀, Pandora 3➞❀, Yomi Dragon 3➞❀, Neptune Dragon removed from ❀, Yuna removed from ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier
1
2972 - 碧地の風龍喚士・Kaede
2
2756 - Crimson Orchid Virtue, Xiang Mei
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
2943 - Destroying Wing Dragon Emperor, Sherias Roots
2969 - 星刻の時龍契士・Miru
2924 - Rebellious Demon, Oda Nobunaga
3
2971 - 藍海の水龍喚士・Sumire
2758 - Blue Bamboo Virtue, You Yu
2920 - Godlike Chivalrous Thief, Robin Hood
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
2528 - Awoken Machine Zeus
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
2765 - One-Winged Angel, Sephiroth
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
1955 - Awoken Lakshmi
2679 - Asst Capt of 13th Squad, Rukia Kuchiki
1956 - Awoken Parvati
2903 - Awoken Liu Bei
2814 - Library Room's Manager God, Kali
2929 - Moonlit Feline Goddess Armor, Ace
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
2904 - Awoken Da Qiao & Xiao Qiao
2662 - Awoken Pandora
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
2526 - Awoken Machine Hera

Disclaimer: The aggregate list is basically a compilation of the leader tier lists from three JP PAD sites: Game8, GameWith and AppMedia. The idea is that while a single tier list can have many points of contention, hopefully an aggregate can kind of smooth things over (it doesn’t, really, but it helps a bit). I try to keep my hands off the results as much as possible; the extent of my involvement is setting the algorithm to aggregate the results. I wish I could be fully hands off, but as none of the lists have 1:1 correlation in their grades, I have to have that much involvement. Don’t take these ratings as fact; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which leads are actually the best for your specific situation.


Sorry for the delay, busy holiday weekend and all. However, it turns out that the wait was somewhat of a good thing as now I’m able to incorporate GameWith’s latest changes, namely the addition of an SSS-tier (sigh). It’s actually problematic when a site adds a new, top tier. The main reason is that I weighted cards in their old top tier as a 1 out of 1, but now that there’s a new top tier, how much do I devalue those cards? For now, I think the new weights I chose work, but there may be some transition in the future as I try to balance things out.

JP Aggregate Leader List Changes of Note

Card Notes
2756 - Crimson Orchid Virtue, Xiang Mei
Change: 1➞2

Xiang Mei represents all the old tier-1 cards (Ra Dragon, Sherias Roots) that got bumped down due to GameWith’s new SSS-tier. There’s little doubt in my mind that Kaede is the undisputed best lead in the game, with only maybe Gremory able to occupy the same space. It’s always sad to see old leaders drop, especially when they’re still amazing, but that’s just the way tier lists work.

2924 - Rebellious Demon, Oda Nobunaga
Change: Added to 2

No surprise here.

2920 - Godlike Chivalrous Thief, Robin Hood
Change: Added to 3

This placement in tier-3 seems correct as Robin Hood is extremely powerful, but not quite up to Nobunaga’s level.

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New cards will be held here temporarily in an attempt to isolate the aggregate list from knee-jerk ratings.
Card Notes
2999 - 冥瞳の魔神爵, Gremory
Ranked Sites: Game8 (SS), Game8 Co-op (S), GameWith (S), AppMedia (SS), PadPlus (15)

Compared to fellow heart-crosser Kaede, Gremory losses some defensive power (58% vs. 75%), but gains much in return, namely a 144x multiplier and bind immunity. True, her leader skill restricts her sub pool, but dark has no problems supplying quality devils and the inclusion of balanced types adds cards like Xin Hua and Typhon to the mix. Her major downside compared to Kaede is her active skill’s lack of haste, meaning there’s no possibility of a “system”; systems are generally overrated, but in the case of things like the heart-crossers and Xiang Mei, the consistency brings near-invulnerability with it. Game8 and AppMedia seem to agree that she’s on Kaede’s level, but GameWith doesn’t; I’m curious to see where she ends up when her time in the holding tank is up.

2995 - 爆叫の魔伯爵, Ronove
Ranked Sites: Game8 (S), GameWith (B), AppMedia (S)

Ronove may not be as good as Kaede or Gremory, but it’s likely he’s being underrated, just like Sumire (and Miru before her). I initially thought his active skill was complete trash beyond serving as a base for skill inheritance. However, after watching this video by Paprika, it becomes apparent that it’s quite strong, especially when used in conjunction with Ragnarok Dragon and Kaede, and only gets better the more hazard orbs a dungeon spawns. Of course, a player of Paprika’s skill level would make any leader seem amazing, but even though the color requirement on top of the heart-cross seems like a steep slope to climb for most players, it’s hard to deny that Ronove is quite strong.

2901 - Awoken Cao Cao
Ranked Sites: Game8 (A), Game8 Co-op (S)

Game8 must be out of their minds. First, yes, Cao Cao is a strong leader. However, tier lists only care about the strongest cards and their relative placement. In this regard, can Cao Cao really be compared to the likes of Sumire, You Yu and Nobunaga? And I don’t know, but Ronove looks pretty damned strong, too. There’s always a chance that I’m underrating Cao Cao — I did the same thing with his split uevo about a year ago and look how good he turned out being — but I just don’t think he’s up to snuff with the other leaders in the same tier. So far Game8 is the only site that rated him, but we’ll see where he winds up once he’s released from the tank.

3069 - 聖徳の麗女神・Sarasvati
Ranked Sites: GameWith (B)

Sarasvati is no You Yu, but the fact that a uuevo can even be compared to an MP card means it’s pretty impressive. I don’t expect the other sites to follow suit with GameWith — the bar to make these lists is so high at this point — but it’d be nice to see her sneak into the lower tiers. I’m personally a big Sarasvati fan and plan on using her in the future.


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JP Aggregate Leader List: Week 20

JP Aggregate Leader List

Changes from last time: Sherias Roots 2➞1, Miru 3➞2, Pandora ❀➞3, Shiva Dragon added to ❀, Sakuya added to ❀, DQXQ added to ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier
1
2756 - Crimson Orchid Virtue, Xiang Mei
2972 - 碧地の風龍喚士・Kaede
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
2943 - Destroying Wing Dragon Emperor, Sherias Roots
2
2758 - Blue Bamboo Virtue, You Yu
2969 - 星刻の時龍契士・Miru
3
2679 - Asst Capt of 13th Squad, Rukia Kuchiki
2971 - 藍海の水龍喚士・Sumire
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
2528 - Awoken Machine Zeus
2662 - Awoken Pandora
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
2765 - One-Winged Angel, Sephiroth
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
1955 - Awoken Lakshmi
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
1956 - Awoken Parvati
2903 - Awoken Liu Bei
2814 - Library Room's Manager God, Kali
2929 - Moonlit Feline Goddess Armor, Ace
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
2766 - Unwavering Summoner, Yuna
2904 - Awoken Da Qiao & Xiao Qiao
2526 - Awoken Machine Hera

Disclaimer: The aggregate list is basically a compilation of the leader tier lists from three JP PAD sites: Game8, GameWith and AppMedia. The idea is that while a single tier list can have many points of contention, hopefully an aggregate can kind of smooth things over (it doesn’t, really, but it helps a bit). I try to keep my hands off the results as much as possible; the extent of my involvement is setting the algorithm to aggregate the results. I wish I could be fully hands off, but as none of the lists have 1:1 correlation in their grades, I have to have that much involvement. Don’t take these ratings as fact; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which leads are actually the best for your specific situation.


Not too much happened this week, so I’ll be using this opportunity to take bit of breather and keep the comments brief. One of the few things that happened was Game8 making what is essentially an honorable mention tier which consists of many of the leads that were booted last week. Considering I was complaining about how exclusive their list was last week, this is a welcome change. However, since this isn’t a “real” tier, I’ll be giving any card that appears there minimal points, similar to what is given to AppMedia’s S- tier.

JP Aggregate Leader List Changes of Note

Card Notes
2943 - Destroying Wing Dragon Emperor, Sherias Roots
Change: 2➞1

Granted, the preset team given to us in the last JP Challenge Dungeons was garbage, but I’m still not as high on Sherias Roots as all the lists appear to be. It’s not because he’s lacking power, either, but rather that everything looks relatively weak compared to Kaede.

2969 - 星刻の時龍契士・Miru
Change: 3➞2

I’m glad the lists are slowly coming around on Miru, but I still believe Sumire needs some love. I wonder if their places would be reversed had Reco chosen Sumire instead? Yes, this might be giving a single streamer too much credit, but I’d have a hard time believing that he didn’t have a significant role in her current popularity (and we all know popularity definitely has a role in how these tier lists play out). I guess the June Bride REM has a strong influence, too.

2662 - Awoken Pandora
Change: ❀➞3

Pandora is one of the few beneficiaries of being included in Game8’s new consolation prize tier. This just goes to show that it doesn’t take much for a card to see movement in the aggregate list.

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New cards will be held here temporarily in an attempt to isolate the aggregate list from knee-jerk ratings.
Card Notes
2920 - Godlike Chivalrous Thief, Robin Hood
Ranked Sites: Game8 (A), Game8 Co-op (A), GameWith (A), AppMedia (S+)

Robin Hood, plenty powerful with his current sub pool, but I wonder how much higher he’d be rated if a card like Kaede or Vishnu were balanced.

2924 - Rebellious Demon, Oda Nobunaga
Ranked Sites: Game8 (A), Game8 Co-op (S), GameWith (S), AppMedia (SS), PadPlus (2)

Nobunaga should debut at tier-2 or higher once his time in the holding tank is over and it looks like he’s well deserving of that placement.

2916 - Emperor Veteran, Napoleon
Ranked Sites: GameWith (B)

Sub pool aside, Napoleon topping out at 39x ATK vs. the 81x of his brothers makes him relatively weak. He’s much easier to activate, but that comes at the cost of too much firepower.


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