JP Aggregate Leader List: Week 14

JP Aggregate Leader List

Changes from last time: You Yu added to 2, AD Lucifer 3➞2, Sephiroth 3➞2, Astaroth 2➞3, Yuna ❀➞3, Machine Zeus added to 3, BSonia 3➞❀, Machine Hera added to ❀, Raoh removed from ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier
1
2756 - 紅蘭の君子, Xiang Mei
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
2
2679 - Asst Capt of 13th Squad, Rukia Kuchiki
2758 - 蒼竹の君子・You Yu
2662 - Awoken Pandora
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
2765 - One-Winged Angel, Sephiroth
3
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
2441 - Judging-Claw Orange Dragonbound, Saria
2395 - Awoken Thor
2766 - Unwavering Summoner, Yuna
2904 - Awoken Da Qiao & Xiao Qiao
2528 - Awoken Machine Zeus
2013 - Awoken Anubis
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
2443 - Returning-Claw Blue Dragonbound, Ryune
2393 - Awoken Idunn&Idunna
2566 - Ancestral Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
2750 - Awoken Apollo
2762 - 紫梅の君子, Xin Hua
2751 - Awoken Persephone
2526 - Awoken Machine Hera

Disclaimer: The aggregate list is basically a compilation of the leader tier lists from three JP PAD sites: Game8, GameWith and AppMedia. The idea is that while a single tier list can have many points of contention, hopefully an aggregate can kind of smooth things over (it doesn’t, really, but it helps a bit). I try to keep my hands off the results as much as possible; the extent of my involvement is setting the algorithm to aggregate the results. I wish I could be fully hands off, but as none of the lists have 1:1 correlation in their grades, I have to have that much involvement. Don’t take these ratings as fact; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which leads are actually the best for your specific situation.


Going to keep the comments short this time. The most notable change this time is GameWith updating their list to factor in multiplayer, meaning MZeus and MHera debut on the list proper, but leads like Sephiroth also get a boost.

JP Aggregate Leader List Changes of Note

Card Notes
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
Change: 3➞2

Received a surprising upgrade from GameWith.

2505 - Awoken Astaroth
Change: 2➞3

I was always skeptical of her placement on the GameWith list. This seems more reasonable.

2766 - Unwavering Summoner, Yuna
Change: ❀➞3

Just in time for the FF Collab on NA.

2528 - Awoken Machine Zeus
Change: Added to 3

The official addition of multiplayer to the tier lists signals the beginning of the end for me.

2445 - The Greatest Enemy, Raoh
Change: Removed from ❀

Still one of my favorite teams. RIP.

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2943 - 滅翼の龍帝王・Sherias Roots
Ranked Sites: Game8 (S)

110x ATK and 2.25x RCV for dragons sounds pretty strong, especially since DKali and the now seemingly ubiquitous Orochi qualify for the team. In spite of the god killer and superior active, he’s still worse than Ra Dragon due to the lack of bind immunity.


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JP Aggregate Leader List: Week 13

JP Aggregate Leader List

Changes from last time: DQXQ ❀➞3, Raoh 3➞❀, Ryune 3➞❀, I&I 3➞❀, Yuna 3➞❀, Freyr removed from ❀, Ichigo removed from ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier
1
2756 - 紅蘭の君子, Xiang Mei
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
2
2679 - Asst Capt of 13th Squad, Rukia Kuchiki
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
2662 - Awoken Pandora
3
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
2566 - Ancestral Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia
2441 - Judging-Claw Orange Dragonbound, Saria
2395 - Awoken Thor
2904 - Awoken Da Qiao & Xiao Qiao
2013 - Awoken Anubis
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
2765 - 片翼の天使, Sephiroth
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
2445 - The Greatest Enemy, Raoh
2443 - Returning-Claw Blue Dragonbound, Ryune
2393 - Awoken Idunn&Idunna
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
2766 - 覚悟の召喚士, Yuna
2750 - Awoken Apollo
2762 - 紫梅の君子, Xin Hua
2751 - Awoken Persephone

I’m not going to comment on any of the changes due to my break from PAD. I’ll eventually do it again, but for now I want to keep the cycles spent thinking about PAD to a minimum for a while.

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2758 - 蒼竹の君子・You Yu
Ranked Sites: Game8 (A), AppMedia (S+), PadPlus (1)

Yep.


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JP Aggregate Leader List: Trial Week 12

JP Aggregate Leader List β

Changes from last time: DQXQ added to ❀, Xin Hua added to ❀, Persephone added to ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier
1
2756 - 紅蘭の君子, Xiang Mei
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
2
2679 - Asst Capt of 13th Squad, Rukia Kuchiki
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
2662 - Awoken Pandora
3
2445 - The Greatest Enemy, Raoh
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
2443 - Returning-Claw Blue Dragonbound, Ryune
2393 - Awoken Idunn&Idunna
2566 - Ancestral Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia
2441 - Judging-Claw Orange Dragonbound, Saria
2395 - Awoken Thor
2766 - 覚悟の召喚士, Yuna
2013 - Awoken Anubis
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
2765 - 片翼の天使, Sephiroth
2392 - Awoken Freyr
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
2904 - Awoken Da Qiao & Xiao Qiao
2750 - Awoken Apollo
2762 - 紫梅の君子, Xin Hua
2751 - Awoken Persephone
2677 - Hollow Ichigo Kurosaki

Ah, a week with almost no changes. The break feels good, although I imagine there will be many changes next week as hopefully GameWith catches up with the new cards.

In other news, I think I’ll take the aggregate list out of the beta phase next week. I’m pretty happy with the way things have gone the past few weeks. I’ll still likely need to tweak the tiers from time to time, but as I whole I’m pretty happy with where things are at.

JP Aggregate Leader List β Changes of Note

Card Notes
2904 - Awoken Da Qiao & Xiao Qiao
Change: Added to ❀

I’m really looking forward to using this team — they were my starter roll — but I’m still skeptical about how good they actually are.

2762 - 紫梅の君子, Xin Hua
Change: Added to ❀

Xin Hua might be the first MP card I don’t buy the first time around (wood MP cards? what are those?) since I’ll be dry after almost certainly buying 3x Xiang Mei. Hopefully by the time I have enough MP for her again she’ll have a better sub pool.

2751 - Awoken Persephone
Change: Added to ❀

I’ve started to come around on Persephone and I might even be looking forward to her coming to NA. Time to get some teams ready to record.

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Card Notes
2758 - 蒼竹の君子・You Yu
Ranked Sites: AppMedia (S)

You Yu does a ton of damage, but is that enough? Seeing as he (?) just came out, I haven’t done much research so I don’t really have an opinion on him yet.


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JP Aggregate Leader List: Trial Week 11

JP Aggregate Leader List β

Changes from last time: Xiang Mei 2➞1, Astaroth 3➞2, Yuna ❀➞3, Sephiroth added to 3, Sakuya 3➞❀, Apollo added to ❀, Ushio & Tora removed from ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier
1
2756 - 紅蘭の君子, Xiang Mei
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
2
2679 - Asst Capt of 13th Squad, Rukia Kuchiki
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
2662 - Awoken Pandora
3
2445 - The Greatest Enemy, Raoh
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
2443 - Returning-Claw Blue Dragonbound, Ryune
2393 - Awoken Idunn&Idunna
2566 - Ancestral Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia
2441 - Judging-Claw Orange Dragonbound, Saria
2395 - Awoken Thor
2766 - 覚悟の召喚士, Yuna
2013 - Awoken Anubis
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
2765 - 片翼の天使, Sephiroth
2392 - Awoken Freyr
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
2750 - Awoken Apollo
2677 - Hollow Ichigo Kurosaki

Game8 and Multiplayer. Game8’s changes seem to be an attempt to get ahead of the curve by preemptively adjusting for what will likely be the biggest change in 9.1: just about all dungeons can be run in co-op. The nature of co-op significantly changes team building priorities, but the two factors that seem to have most influence over Game8’s changes are HP multipliers and SBRs, or the deprecation thereof. Since multiplayer teams combine their HP pools, HP multipliers are obviously less valuable especially if there’s no corresponding RCV multiplier to help recover from large hits and gravities. A leader’s lack of SBRs also have a diminished impact as you only need five SBRs over eight subs rather than four, making a once strict team building constraint into an afterthought. As someone that doesn’t play much multiplayer I’m not looking forward to having to factor it into my judgments. If the lists become too multiplayer-biased — which I’m hoping they won’t — I may just end this post series since it won’t be worth my time to do the analysis since I don’t care about co-op outside of farming possibilities.

JP Aggregate Leader List β Changes of Note

Card Notes
2756 - 紅蘭の君子, Xiang Mei
Change: 2➞1

This shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone.

2505 - Awoken Astaroth
Change: 3➞2

Some may have questioned Astaroth’s high rating on the GameWith list, but with Game8 also backing it up there’s probably some amount of truth to it. In my opinion, the lack of time extends makes the team significantly worse than it seems on paper.

2766 - 覚悟の召喚士, Yuna
Change: ❀➞3

Perhaps AppMedia isn’t as stupid as once thought? There’s some overlap here with DQXQ so I’ll cover that in their section.

2765 - 片翼の天使, Sephiroth
Change: Added to 3

Sephiroth always had the raw power — and was the Machine Zeus solo farmer of choice — but it was difficult to meet his type and color requirements while also reaching 100% SBR. This hasn’t changed. However, co-op play address the SBR part and with inheritance and the co-op HP boost, team composition is almost brainless now.

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2904 - Awoken Da Qiao & Xiao Qiao
Ranked Sites: Game8 (A), PadPlus (1)

I’m quite happy with my starter getting some love, but I’m not really sure how much staying power they’ll have. However, the amount of offensive power you get considering the ease of use and activation is pretty ridiculous. Teams like these will benefit greatly from the co-op update as HP thresholds will be less of a factor.

2751 - Awoken Persephone
Ranked Sites: Game8 (A), PadPlus (2)

Despite their appearance on the Game8 list, I’m still not much of a fan of Apollo and Persephone. I’ve never denied that they’re good, but I also don’t think they’re elite. My main point of contention is that their awakenings promote a hybrid TPA- and OE-based play style, but that’s so wrong on so many levels. Pairing TPAs with a 14x multiplier results in a fairly pathetic burst output since TPAs make inefficient use of board space. One might argue that the OEs could help, and they do, but OEs scale with the amount of orbs in a given match, thus pairing them with TPAs isn’t as lucrative as with rows. Rows are generally preferred by tank teams for their higher burst potential, but these leads have none. Sure, you can run them with row subs, but you’re missing so much damage from your leaders, especially when you consider the best row leaders now have three rows.

However, I’ll admit that fixating on those points was a bit shortsighted. Their actives are great, they’re basically unkillable and there’s a lot of sub flexibility. Persephone is basically the first dark team where you can run all the best killer subs — fire Haku and Machine Hera come to mind first — without being punished, so maybe there’s more than enough damage there to make up for the inefficiencies I previously mentioned.

2762 - 紫梅の君子, Xin Hua
Ranked Sites: AppMedia (S)

For all their changes, Game8 snubbed Xin Hua. I’m not sure I like Persephone all that much more, even considering the severely constrained sub pool. At least for Game8, they state that the difficulty of creating the ideal team isn’t a factor in their ratings, but it certainly seems to have affected it in this case.


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JP Aggregate Leader List: Trial Week 10

JP Aggregate Leader List β

Changes from last time: Xiang Mei added to 2, Sakuya 4➞3, Freyr 4➞❀, Shiva Dragon 4➞❀, Ushio & Tora 4➞❀, Yuna 4➞❀, Ichigo 4➞❀, Bastet removed from ❀, Sylvie removed from ❀, Freyja removed from ❀, Ra removed from ❀, Cloud removed from ❀, Lightning removed from ❀, Yomi removed from ❀, Kite removed from ❀, Sephiroth removed from ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier
1
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
2
2756 - 紅蘭の君子, Xiang Mei
2679 - Asst Capt of 13th Squad, Rukia Kuchiki
2662 - Awoken Pandora
3
2445 - The Greatest Enemy, Raoh
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
2443 - Returning-Claw Blue Dragonbound, Ryune
2393 - Awoken Idunn&Idunna
2566 - Ancestral Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
2441 - Judging-Claw Orange Dragonbound, Saria
2395 - Awoken Thor
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
2013 - Awoken Anubis
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
2392 - Awoken Freyr
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
2465 - Ushio & Tora
2766 - 覚悟の召喚士, Yuna
2677 - Hollow Ichigo Kurosaki

Removing tier-4. With there being almost no movement on any of the lists this week, I took the opportunity to tweak the tiers again. With Game8 and GameWith compressing their tiers, it was about time the aggregate list did as well, resulting in the removal of the 4th tier. I also slightly lowered the weight AppMedia’s ranks have on the aggregate list since I personally value their opinion less than the other two. Finally, I created a minimum score to appear in the honorable mentions. This is to prevent cards that only appear in AppMedia’s S- tier and nowhere else from appearing there.

JP Aggregate Leader List β Changes of Note

Card Notes
2756 - 紅蘭の君子, Xiang Mei
Change: Added to 2

I’m a little surprised she isn’t tier-1, but she’ll be limited to tier-2 as long as she’s only top-ranked on one of the three lists.

2389 - Awoken Sakuya
Change: 4➞3

In removing tier-4, I lowered the requirement for tier-3, thus Sakuya’s bump.

2465 - Ushio & Tora
Change: 4➞❀

Considering U&T are basically a light Rukia, it’s surprising to see such a discrepancy in their grades. Then you compare the sub pools and it all makes sense.

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2762 - 紫梅の君子, Xin Hua
Ranked Sites: AppMedia (S)

While her sub pool is considerably worse than Xiang Mei’s (seemed impossible, but it’s true), she’s still strong enough to conquer endgame content. Unless I’m missing something and the various YouTube videos I’ve seen are just outliers, I expect her to appear somewhere on the other two lists next week. To be honest, dark didn’t need the help so her current power level seems fitting.


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JP Aggregate Leader List: Trial Week 9

JP Aggregate Leader List β

Changes from last time: Neptune Dragon 2➞3, Yuna added to 4, Sylvie 4➞❀, Freyja 4➞❀, Ra 4➞❀, Lightning added to ❀, Sephiroth added to ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier
1
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
2
2679 - Asst Capt of 13th Squad, Rukia Kuchiki
2662 - Awoken Pandora
3
2445 - The Greatest Enemy, Raoh
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
2443 - Returning-Claw Blue Dragonbound, Ryune
2393 - Awoken Idunn&Idunna
2566 - Ancestral Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
2441 - Judging-Claw Orange Dragonbound, Saria
2395 - Awoken Thor
2013 - Awoken Anubis
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
4
2392 - Awoken Freyr
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
2465 - Ushio & Tora
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
2766 - 覚悟の召喚士, Yuna
2677 - Hollow Ichigo Kurosaki
2011 - Awoken Bastet
2509 - Cutting-Claw Green Dragonbound, Sylvie
2394 - Awoken Freyja
2012 - Awoken Ra
2764 - Cloud & Fenrir
2780 - 解放者, Lightning
2325 - Awoken Yomi
2230 - 気狂いピエロ, Kite
2765 - 片翼の天使, Sephiroth

Short on time. I’m going to keep the comments to a minimum this week. Which seems to be fine since there wasn’t much movement of note.

JP Aggregate Leader List β Changes of Note

Card Notes
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
Change: 2➞3

The MP Dragons are slowly dying off. It remains to be seen if the Four Gentlemen will take their places, but if Xiang Mei is any indicator, the answer is yes. I’m eagerly awaiting for JP to announce the stats for the next one whose art was revealed on their last stream.

2766 - 覚悟の召喚士, Yuna
Change: Added to 4

The FF cards are finally out of the holding tank and Yuna is the only one to make the aggregate list proper. AppMedia is the only source that seems to believe that, though.

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2756 - 紅蘭の君子, Xiang Mei
Ranked Sites: Game8 (S), GameWith (SS), AppMedia (S+), PadPlus (2)

If the current ratings hold, she’ll debut at tier-2 next week. Which seems a bit ridiculous considering all the hype, but that’s why there’s a holding tank; we’ll see what happens next week.

2824 - メトロポリスの守護者, Superman
Ranked Sites: GameWith Farming (A)

While it’s somewhat sad seeing one of the historically most OP characters from American comics relegated to farming duty, there’s no doubt that he’s great at it. Not all hope is lost, though, as he does have at least one Arena 2 clear under his belt. Here’s hoping his active gets the cooldown reduction to eight that the original Chinese are getting, too.


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JP Aggregate Leader List: Trial Week 8

JP Aggregate Leader List β

Changes from last time: Rukia 3➞2, Juggler removed from ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier
1
2259 - Sun God, Ra Dragon
2
2679 - Asst Capt of 13th Squad, Rukia Kuchiki
2255 - Sea Deity, Neptune Dragon
2662 - Awoken Pandora
3
2445 - The Greatest Enemy, Raoh
2443 - Returning-Claw Blue Dragonbound, Ryune
2393 - Awoken Idunn&Idunna
2566 - Ancestral Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia
2505 - Awoken Astaroth
2441 - Judging-Claw Orange Dragonbound, Saria
2395 - Awoken Thor
2013 - Awoken Anubis
2261 - God of the Night, Tsukuyomi Dragon
2507 - Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
4
2392 - Awoken Freyr
2253 - Destroyer God, Shiva Dragon
2509 - Cutting-Claw Green Dragonbound, Sylvie
2394 - Awoken Freyja
2012 - Awoken Ra
2465 - Ushio & Tora
2389 - Awoken Sakuya
2677 - Hollow Ichigo Kurosaki
2011 - Awoken Bastet
2764 - Cloud & Fenrir
2325 - Awoken Yomi
2230 - 気狂いピエロ, Kite

Dropping the “Trial”. Instead of constantly tweaking the tier thresholds, I’m going to see how the current one holds up and if it’s satisfactory for a couple weeks I’ll remove the beta qualification.

Future of the farming lists. I didn’t have time to update the script to scrape Game8’s farming list. I’m still undecided if I even what to continue including this information. I’ll think about it more when I have more time.

JP Aggregate Leader List β Changes of Note

Card Notes
2679 - Asst Capt of 13th Squad, Rukia Kuchiki
Change: 3➞2

A Game8 upgrade pushes Rukia up a tier. With NA getting Bleach on Monday, this can only add fuel to the fire. I wouldn’t let this influence your decision, though. I always thought she was a little underrated, but since I never cared to formulate an argument for it I never really said anything. Now that NA is getting her, I’ll definitely be doing more research

2803 - 究極装備, Juggler
Change: Removed from ❀

Juggler wasn’t on any of the tier lists, but made the honorable mentions by way of Pad-Plus. I’m still debating if I want to remove this functionality since it can be misleading.

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2756 - 紅蘭の君子, Xiang Mei
Ranked Sites: Game8 (S), GameWith (SS), AppMedia (S)

Even with a limited sub pool and no sub-attribute, Xiang Mei is obviously an elite leader. That was never in question, though. What we really need to find out is where her ceiling is. Hopefully the tier lists can sort it out in the next couple of weeks, but I won’t be relying on them and you shouldn’t either, especially since it looks like she could be a 900k MP investment. I’ll definitely be doing my own research.

2766 - 覚悟の召喚士, Yuna
Ranked Sites: AppMedia (S), PadPlus (3)

I’m extending the holding tank period for new cards to two weeks. It doesn’t took like any of the FF cards are going to stick on the list.

2765 - 片翼の天使, Sephiroth
Ranked Sites: AppMedia (S-), PadPlus (2)

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2780 - 解放者, Lightning
Ranked Sites: PadPlus (1)

If it means anything, GameWith removed her from their holding tank and she didn’t make their list.

2768 - 暗黒騎士, Cecil
Ranked Sites: PadPlus (5)

Cecil’s buffs resulted in increased interest on Pad-Plus, but it’s uncertain whether it’s enough to vault him onto the tier lists. 45.56x ATK and 2.25x RCV seem pretty good — like an upgraded Zaerog∞ — but there are many other factors that go into being a good lead.


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