Preparing for 10x +Eggs for Descendeds

NA has always lagged far behind JP in terms of +egg accessibility. It took us seemingly forever to get 3x normals and coin Star Vault, but we eventually did get it. On deck is 10x descendeds and now that JP has gotten it twice — meaning the they didn’t regret doing it the first time — there’s a good chance that it will eventually come to NA. Considering that it’s by far the best method for farming +eggs by almost every metric, it’s in your best interests to be prepared for whenever it hits NA.

Supplemental Posts: Goemon Dry Runs | Valkyrie Dry Runs

What’s the Hype About?

A 10x +egg rate in descendeds means that any non-evo, non-enhance material that drops will be plussed. This is particularly lucrative as many trash floors and the boss floors (for Mythicals) are guaranteed drops. Considering that every type of player needs +eggs, this is important for two reasons:

It’s Stamina Efficient: A descended like Aamir has five floors of guaranteed drops, meaning you’ll get five +eggs for every 50 stamina run. 10 stamina per +egg is better than any other method currently in the game and Aamir isn’t even the best descended in terms of stamina efficiency.

It’s Time Efficient: The dream of any hardcore farmer is to make use of their push button teams for mindless, time-efficient farming. This is why Star Vault and Sky Dragons are favored over more stamina-efficient methods. 10x descendeds is the pinnacle of time-efficiency. You can take a push button team into something like Goemon Descended and come away with four +eggs in about about a minute. I’ve heard accounts of getting full 297s in an hour. By comparison, an hour of Star Vault yields about 120 +eggs, so 10x can potentially be 2.5 times as efficient. Even a pessimistic estimate of 1.25 minutes per run brings in almost 200 +eggs an hour!

What’s the Catch?

Well, nothing, really. Assuming NA gets it — which may be the biggest hurdle — there are a few things you should be aware of, though. For newer or casual players, 3x may still be the better choice as normals don’t require a descended-worthy team to clear and generally have better rank exp rewards.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the descendeds that are available during 10x probably won’t match what JP got. Descendeds made available through Challenges and coin dungeons and even some collabs (PAD Z) and guerrilla dungeons (Descended Carnivals) also qualify; since NA’s dungeon and coin schedule is so unpredictable, that may also affect availability. Basically, this means if you do try to prepare you may have to wait a long time and if/when it finally comes, your preparations may have been for naught as the available dungeons could be less efficient or not possible to push button. I’d argue that the risk is worth it, though, especially if you plan on speedfarming.

For Stamina Efficiency

I was going to make my own table listing +egg drops per descended, but luckily the work has already been done. It looks like Hera-Sowilo and Kanetsugu are best for stamina efficiency. Guan Yinping and Aamir are also good options. Sowilo and Kanetsugu also have respectable rank exp rates, making then attractive for low-rankers as they can reap the benefits of rank up stamina refreshes to be even more efficient; those dungeons weigh in at about 500 exp per stamina (for comparison, KoG is about 800).

Sadly, YouTube doesn’t bring up much variation on team composition for clearing these dungeons. Most of the teams I found were Gon or Shiva Dragon which is really no surprise. Unconditional leaders work best since you don’t have to waste brain cycles on high combos, but if you’re not stoning stamina then your most consistent team is best. If you’re not approaching a 100% clear rate then your stamina is probably better used elsewhere.

For Time Efficiency

Now, on to the real point of this post: exploring possible time-efficient, mindless push button teams and which descendeds they can clear.

The Teams

Unlike Star Vault, there are no set teams as it really depends on which descendeds are available for farming and the resources available to you. The good news is most of the core members are farmable. The bad news is you still need at least one ROdin, but at least you don’t need multiples.

10x Push Button Core Members
Monster	Notes
	Probably the most important, irreplaceable monster and will be the leader of most teams. He’s essentially used to clear two floors: a trash floor with his nuke and a higher HP boss or sub-boss floor by swiping his board change. His biggest weakness is his long cooldown paired with only a single skill boost; most team comps are essentially solutions to the problem of having his active ready on the first turn. Considering that he’s farmable, there’s little excuse not having at least one. Some teams use two, but it looks like you should be able to get by with one in most cases.
	A pillar of Star Vault push button teams, ROdin is still important, but there isn’t as great a need for dupes. With Tengu bringing four skill boosts and Shiva Dragon bringing a virtual four, there are more options in hitting skill boost thresholds than in the past. That being said, you’re still going to want at least one as the nuke + three skill boosts combination is almost impossible to replace for push button teams. If you don’t have a ROdin you might be able to use an orb change instead, but then you wouldn’t have a push button team.
	The only four skill boost monster in the game, Tengu is critical in reaching enough skill boosts for Goemon’s active. Compared to Goemon, Tengu is a very low cost farmable investment so there’s no reason not to have two ready for 10x. Granted, Tengu Descended is annoying, but it’s worth suffering through it. There’s also a chance that we get the Descended Carnival which makes him much easier to farm (coincidentally, the Descended Carnival is also good for farming 10x +eggs when under 2x drop bonus).
	Fire has always been the king of farming and its MP dragon is no exception. His two-turn haste acts like two additional skill boosts if you already have 12 on the team. His advantage over Tengu is that he actually does damage with a Goemon board. It’s worth noting that, as a dragon, he qualifies for Goemon’s leader skill if you’re searching for extra damage. He’s also a good alternative leader to Goemon. For all his positives, 300k MP is out of the reach of most players, but luckily he’s the least essential of the monsters listed in this table.
	Why is the evo version of Goemon here? Well, considering we are trying to find the absolute fastest teams here, evo Goemon is technically faster than uevo Goemon if you only need the board change since you don’t have to sit through the nuke animation. If you’re considering farming for several hours, the time saved definitely adds up. Just be aware that evo Goemon is inferior in almost every way outside of this obscure advantage.
	Added 10/7/15: Surtr is one of the latest descended monsters to land on JP and has an identical board change to the original Goemon. His main advantage over uevo Goemon is also the same: since he doesn’t have the nuke component for his active he’s a bit faster. He also has a skill boost, relaxing the need for Tengus on any team you’d otherwise use an evo Goemon on. Perhaps the most relevant advantage is that he’s much easier to skill up than uevo Goemon who requires dupe uevos or Flampys. Considering how NA is fast tracking descended evo materials and has always lagged on delivering +egg bonuses, we’ll probably get him before we get 10x. If we do get him and you were waffling on the stamina commitment to a Goemon, I’d give Surtr strong consideration.

Orb changers that bring skill boosts are also decent substitutes, but they should be a last resort as who wants to match when you can push buttons?

Push Button Descendeds

The best push button dungeons are Zeus via Zeus Challenge, Goemon and Valkyrie. If we aren’t fortunate enough to get any of these, then we’re shit out of luck for push button goodness. This is a very real concern as any preparation could be for naught, but I’d like to think GungHo would give us at least one of them as they’d be missing out on whales spending tons of stones. Otherwise, I guess farming normally with Shiva Dragon or whatever isn’t a terrible consolation prize; at the very least that means we got 10x at all.

All these descends have basically the same hurdles: a few trash floors, one or two sub-boss floors, then a boss with about four million HP. That last condition is the most important as you many need some ATK eggs to guarantee a boss kill in the worst case scenario.

Sample Teams

There’s no single way to do speedfarm these descendeds, so even if you only have one ROdin or don’t have a Shiva Dragon, there’s still a good chance you can put a team together. Goemon and Tengu being farmable really helps. These may not be optimal teams, but hopefully you can get some ideas on how to make your own.

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Zeus

Zeus Challenge – Almighty God Mythical	YouTube
Unfortunately, this one doesn’t work on NA since we don’t have Berserker. Swapping in Vritra doesn’t work since you need Berserker’s fire damage. You also need your Goemon and ROdin +egged. What this does serve as is an example that you don’t solely need the core members to make a team.

Zeus Challenge – Almighty God Mythical	YouTube
This is a somewhat strange set up, using Yamato as a lead instead of Goemon. You’ll need all the fire monsters at +99 ATK to guarantee a Zeus kill. If you lead with Goemon instead, you don’t need any +eggs.

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Goemon

Goemon – The Thief Descended Mythical	YouTube
This video demonstrates the time saved by using a max skill evo Goemon instead of a uevo one. The team needs about 400 total ATK eggs to make it work, though, and wants to avoid as many RCV eggs as possible. Dual evo Goemons don’t work as you’ll miss the skill boost threshold and even if you did you couldn’t quickly reach the required HP threshold. If you use a uevo Goemon instead, you just need a +99ed friend, but then you aren’t truly min-maxing. Surtr could also be used in place of evo Goemon and the skill boost will allow you to swap out a Tengu for something else with three skill boosts like Yamato or ROdin, alleviating the reliance on ATK eggs.

Goemon – The Thief Descended Mythical	YouTube
This team only has 14 skill boosts, meaning you’ll have to match once, but it’s an option if you don’t have a second ROdin. I’m guessing a Yamato Takeru or RSonia could be subbed in to work as well. One strength this team does demonstrate is that it can consistently take out the Grizal invade since it has access to a third Goemon board. This team needs about 300 ATK eggs to kill the boss and maybe more to take out Grizal.

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Valkyrie

Valkyrie – The Goddess Descended Mythical	YouTube
This team demonstrates using RSonia as a sub, making it non-push button but also not requiring a second ROdin. You’ll need about 250 ATK eggs to consistently kill Valk.

Valkyrie – The Goddess Descended Mythical	YouTube
This is another crazy non-push button team. Again, it doesn’t require a second ROdin. The team doesn’t need any +eggs.

ROdin Replacements

Sadly, I couldn’t find any examples of ROdin-less push button teams on YouTube. The combination of skill boosts, nuke, poison, and fire rows are irreplaceable for a push button team. The most direct replacement is Yamato Takeru who would make you match instead and he doesn’t address high defense monsters (the highest DEF in Zeus, Goemon or Valkyrie is 100,000 which is fairly easy to break, though). Of course you’ll have to make sure you have enough damage, but Yamato does qualify for both uevo Goemon and Shiva Dragon, which is nice. There may be other configurations you can run with a two-skill boost monster like RSonia and another Tengu, but the main limitation there is probably damage.

Things to Think About

• Invades – The risk of farming descendeds is the chance of running into the various invades. Latent tamas and their cooldown increase can be very annoying as they’re close to certain death if you already used a Goemon active. I already found a video that can take care of Grizal, but since I can’t find stats on Iria I can’t say if it’s possible to deal with her with the same team. Suffice to say, they can be dangerous for unprepared teams. The Chinese can also be a big problem with their skill bind resist, although you do have a chance of resisting via Tengu or Shiva Dragon. Karin is a particular problem for fire teams due to elemental weakness. It may be worth stoning for them though, if you need the drop and can guarantee the kill after doing so.
• Reaching Damage Thresholds and ATK +Eggs – To no surprise, +eggs play a huge role in push button teams. This is mainly because Tengu contributes no damage. If you have a hyper Goemon and ROdin you should be good for most things, but you should definitely run your team through a damage calculator to make sure you have enough.
• Saving Coins – There is the possibility that the best dungeons may only be available as a coin dungeon. Goemon, for example, is 500,000 coins to purchase. Certainly not a huge number, but considering you’ll also be spending many coins to combine your +eggs it’s probably a good idea to have a decent amount saved up.

System Teams

I guess something has to be said about system teams as they may be relevant if NA doesn’t get a push button descended. I’m not talking about Chinese systems either, I’m talking about something more like the Cloud System; a team where you don’t have to use any effort in matching. The best that I saw in a cursory search of YouTube was Gon a video with a Leeza–Alnair System taking on Hera-Is. NA doesn’t have Gon — sigh… — but this means that you could probably get results with a similar Batman or Shiva Dragon lead CyberBeast system team.

Conclusion

The team I’ll likely use will be:

The good thing about this team is I won’t need to invest any extra +eggs to kill Zeus, Goemon or Valk (my Shiva Dragon is +297, the rest have no +eggs).

Need be, I could switch to something like:

This team also doesn’t require any +eggs.

If you want to find more examples of +egg farming teams, I found that the the YouTube search term “パズドラ プラマラ” sorted by most recent produces good results. “＋10倍” is the term for 10x and can help narrow your search.

Also, there’s no way what I gathered here is comprehensive. If I missed anything, got anything wrong or you just have questions, I encourage you to let me know in the comments.