Godfest Help Post: 1/14-1/15

Grading scale. The individual grade is a composite grade of all monsters in it relative to all other pantheons. The combined grade is a composite of all monsters in both pantheons relative to all other combinations of pantheons. Combined grades are not an average of the individual grades, but based on the normal distribution of all possible two-pantheon-combinations. Grades do not factor co-op or skill inheritance at this time.

Godfest: Heroes & Egypt 2 1/14, Norse & Sengoku 1/15
Criteria		Day 1		Day 2
		Heroes	Egypt 2	Norse	Sengoku
Leader	Individual	B	B-	B+	B
	Combined	B		B+
Sub	Individual	A+	C-	B	A-
	Combined	B		A-
Overall	Individual	A-	C	B+	B+
	Combined	B		A-

This is a help thread, so please feel free to ask questions on just about anything concerning the godfest or your teams, box and progress in general.

It’s been over two months since my last help thread. I’m looking to keep the question count low while I settle back in, but let’s see if there’s any interest in the first place.

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Thoughts on the PCGF Voting Results (Winter 2016)

We’ve all seen this coming for a long time now and have already experienced the 6-star plague invade last time’s lineup, but, at least for me, the reality finally hit home that the PCGF will never be what it once was. Sure, there were always questionable inclusions, but this time, instead of them occurring because good information failed to trickle down to the lowest common denominator, it happened because there’s little other choice. The bulk of high-impact cards either being shifted outside of the standard REM or to 6-star GFEs leads to 11 of the 25 cards being 6-stars and I can’t really find fault in it; in a popularity contest, what else is left for people to vote for? Even though 6-stars are featured every godfest, people are still going to vote for them regardless of the impact on overall value. The way GungHo has shifted the game away from pantheons made this outcome inevitable; I mean, JP had 10/25 (and this was before the Kanna uevo) and KR also has 11/25 so it’s not like NA is some sort of anomaly.

This is still a great opportunity for veterans chasing a handful of specific cards, dupes be damned. Particularly if those cards would never be featured together otherwise. It’s also still decent for new players with few dupes as there are plenty of core team building blocks whose quality helps overcome the lack of overall value per roll, but on the other hand, variance hits harder which can be difficult for such a player to cope with. For everyone else, it’s time to shift expectations from a highly anticipated event to one that’s just another godfest and adjust their stone budgets accordingly.

Anyways, I’ll once again go over the best and worst of the voting. The over/underrated categories lost a dimension since the voting tallies are hidden, but I’ll keep them around anyways. Just remember that these are just my opinions, heavily influenced by how I personally play the game. If you disagree, I encourage you to let me know in the comments.

JP Aggregate Leader List: Week 39

JP Aggregate Leader List

Changes from last time: Neptune added to ❀, Sarasvati removed from ❀, Ra Dragon removed from ❀ (moved to holding tank)
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier

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Disclaimer: The aggregate list is basically a compilation of the leader tier lists from three JP PAD sites: Game8, GameWith and AppMedia. The idea is that while a single tier list can have many points of contention, hopefully an aggregate can kind of smooth things over (it doesn’t, really, but it helps a bit). I try to keep my hands off the results as much as possible; the extent of my involvement is setting the algorithm to aggregate the results. I wish I could be fully hands off, but as none of the lists have 1:1 correlation in their grades, I have to have that much involvement. Don’t take these ratings as fact; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which leads are actually the best for your specific situation.

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Despite the recent JP stream, not much changed.

New Card Holding Tank

New cards will be held here temporarily in an attempt to isolate the aggregate list from knee-jerk ratings.

Card	Notes
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (S), GameWith (S), AppMedia (S+) I’d be surprised to see him debut at anything lower than tier 2. He’s extremely strong now, even if his buffs weren’t flashy.
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A), GameWith (B), AppMedia (S) Ra, on the other hand, I’m really not sure about. I think his current placement is about correct.

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JP Aggregate Leader List: Week 38

JP Aggregate Leader List

Changes from last time: Halloween Sonia Gran added to ❀, Halloween Xiang Mei added to ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier

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Disclaimer: The aggregate list is basically a compilation of the leader tier lists from three JP PAD sites: Game8, GameWith and AppMedia. The idea is that while a single tier list can have many points of contention, hopefully an aggregate can kind of smooth things over (it doesn’t, really, but it helps a bit). I try to keep my hands off the results as much as possible; the extent of my involvement is setting the algorithm to aggregate the results. I wish I could be fully hands off, but as none of the lists have 1:1 correlation in their grades, I have to have that much involvement. Don’t take these ratings as fact; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which leads are actually the best for your specific situation.

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No significant changes. Hopefully the JP stream later today shakes things up.

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JP Aggregate Leader List: Week 37

JP Aggregate Leader List

Changes from last time: Acala added to 3, Minerva added to ❀, Dantalion removed from ❀, You Yu removed from ❀, Artemis removed from ❀, Balboa removed from ❀, Oda Nobunaga removed from ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier

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Disclaimer: The aggregate list is basically a compilation of the leader tier lists from three JP PAD sites: Game8, GameWith and AppMedia. The idea is that while a single tier list can have many points of contention, hopefully an aggregate can kind of smooth things over (it doesn’t, really, but it helps a bit). I try to keep my hands off the results as much as possible; the extent of my involvement is setting the algorithm to aggregate the results. I wish I could be fully hands off, but as none of the lists have 1:1 correlation in their grades, I have to have that much involvement. Don’t take these ratings as fact; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which leads are actually the best for your specific situation.

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JP Aggregate Leader List Changes of Note

Card	Notes
	Change: Added to 3 The addition of fire crosses makes her a 2.25/1640.25/2.25 lead which, quite frankly, is amazing for a card without an ultimate. Sure, 182.25 is probably going to be your more common multiplier, but the potential to go that high is indeed valuable (piercing high defense monsters like PreDRAs, less reliance on damage enhances, etc). I wonder why they’re giving her so much love when so many older cards are rotting? Not that I’m complaining.
	Change: Added to ❀ I’ve downplayed Minerva and the revo Greco-Romans in the past and I still stand by my assertion that they aren’t great due to being too situational. However, I did qualify that, stating if they became extremely useful in a particular endgame dungeon I could see their inclusion. Well, that seems to be the case. Minerva stands out from the other revos due to her compatibility with Arena 1 and 3 (and presumably 2) and having a better active. Personally, I’m still looking forward to getting Minerva for the easy Arena 1 clears.

New Card Holding Tank

New cards will be held here temporarily in an attempt to isolate the aggregate list from knee-jerk ratings.

Card	Notes
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A), AppMedia (S+) I bashed Sonia Gran pretty hard in my Halloween REM review, but value aside, she’s still a Roots rehash and thus technically has the potential to make the tier lists. I strongly disagree with AppMedia’s placement (what’s new?), but I can live with Game8’s where she was replacing June Eschamali, a pretty questionable inclusion to begin with.
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A), GameWith (B), AppMedia (S-) The lists have Halloween Xiang Mei on the same level as her fire version, GameWith being the exception placing her higher. In terms of tier lists, I think they should be on the same tier, but have no huge issue either way.

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JP Aggregate Leader List: Week 36

JP Aggregate Leader List

Changes from last time: Ilm added to 3, Xiang Mei 3➞❀, Shiva added to ❀, Lakshmi added to ❀, Parvati added to ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier

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Disclaimer: The aggregate list is basically a compilation of the leader tier lists from three JP PAD sites: Game8, GameWith and AppMedia. The idea is that while a single tier list can have many points of contention, hopefully an aggregate can kind of smooth things over (it doesn’t, really, but it helps a bit). I try to keep my hands off the results as much as possible; the extent of my involvement is setting the algorithm to aggregate the results. I wish I could be fully hands off, but as none of the lists have 1:1 correlation in their grades, I have to have that much involvement. Don’t take these ratings as fact; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which leads are actually the best for your specific situation.

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This post was delayed because I ran into some technical difficulties with the cloud IDE I’m using, but I think I figured out a workaround. There was also a problem saving the ranking data from last week so the listed changes might be mistaken; I did my best to hand correct them. I was hoping the delay would mean picking up possible Halloween updates, but it looks like only GameWith has updated.

JP Aggregate Leader List Changes of Note

Card	Notes
	Change: Added to 3 MAthena is my team of choice for Arena farming, but I can see Ilm-Minerva becoming a favorite for DC solo runs, especially since the team is reasonably accessible (even if you don’t have an Ilm).
	Change: Added to ❀ It seems a bit ridiculous, but these days the bar is set so high for leaders that even quality ones like the revo Indians can barely make the cut.

New Card Holding Tank

New cards will be held here temporarily in an attempt to isolate the aggregate list from knee-jerk ratings.

Card	Notes
	Ranked Sites: GameWith (B) From the research I’ve done for my Halloween REM review, Halloween Xiang Mei is better than the original, but not by such a margin to make her a great card again.

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JP Aggregate Leader List: Week 35

JP Aggregate Leader List

Changes from last time: Dantalion 3➞❀, You Yu 3➞❀, Acala removed from ❀, Sephiroth removed from ❀, Oda Nobunaga removed from ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier

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Disclaimer: The aggregate list is basically a compilation of the leader tier lists from three JP PAD sites: Game8, GameWith and AppMedia. The idea is that while a single tier list can have many points of contention, hopefully an aggregate can kind of smooth things over (it doesn’t, really, but it helps a bit). I try to keep my hands off the results as much as possible; the extent of my involvement is setting the algorithm to aggregate the results. I wish I could be fully hands off, but as none of the lists have 1:1 correlation in their grades, I have to have that much involvement. Don’t take these ratings as fact; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which leads are actually the best for your specific situation.

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Pretty busy this week, so no comments. Luckily, not too much changed.

As removing them was confusing in the past, I’ll keep all the holding tank cards around even though I’m not commenting on them.

New Card Holding Tank

New cards will be held here temporarily in an attempt to isolate the aggregate list from knee-jerk ratings.

Card	Notes
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A), AppMedia (S-)
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A), AppMedia (S)
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A), GameWith (B), AppMedia (S)
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A), GameWith (B), AppMedia (S+)
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A)

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JP Aggregate Leader List: Week 34

JP Aggregate Leader List

Changes from last time: Krishna added to 3, You Yu ❀➞3, Oda Nobunaga 3➞❀, Acala added to ❀, Summer Lakshmi removed from ❀, Bastet Ace removed from ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier

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Disclaimer: The aggregate list is basically a compilation of the leader tier lists from three JP PAD sites: Game8, GameWith and AppMedia. The idea is that while a single tier list can have many points of contention, hopefully an aggregate can kind of smooth things over (it doesn’t, really, but it helps a bit). I try to keep my hands off the results as much as possible; the extent of my involvement is setting the algorithm to aggregate the results. I wish I could be fully hands off, but as none of the lists have 1:1 correlation in their grades, I have to have that much involvement. Don’t take these ratings as fact; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which leads are actually the best for your specific situation.

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I delayed this week’s update a bit in hopes of snagging some changes for the uevos revealed in the last JP stream. So far only Game8 has updated so that will have to suffice.

JP Aggregate Leader List Changes of Note

Card	Notes
	Change: Added to 3 This seems like a pretty reasonable placement.
	Change: ❀➞3 I was a bit confused by this change, but apparently Game8 left him off their list entirely, presumably by mistake, and I failed to notice. He’s back this week. Outside maybe Dantalion, he’s the worst in the tier.
	Change: 3➞❀ This happened because Game8 replaced him with dark Kanna. I’m a little skeptical about that change.
	Change: Added to ❀ A strong showing for a card without an ultimate. I don’t expect her to stick too long, but I’m still excited for her to reach NA.
	Change: Removed from ❀ One Lakshmi replaced with another.

New Card Holding Tank

New cards will be held here temporarily in an attempt to isolate the aggregate list from knee-jerk ratings.

Card	Notes
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A) Well, at least Game8 seems to agree with my initial evaluation of Shiva. I don’t expect him to stay long, but I do think he’s better than Dantalion so he has an outside shot of staying on their list for a decent amount of time.
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A) Lakshmi, on the other hand, I expect to to stay on the list a bit longer. One detail I didn’t know at the time of the stream was how her heart clause scaled. The full multiplier tops out at eight connected hearts, one more than her awoken. The same applies to Parvati. This doesn’t change my evaluation of her too much, but it is a little unfortunate that it wasn’t just a flat buff.
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A) I still don’t like Parvati as much as Lakshmi due to lacking a few key synergies, but I do believe that she’s a great leader.
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A) I brushed off Ilm as a farming lead and while that’s true to a certain extent, I most certainly underestimated how proficient she (?) would be at it. The Ilm pair looks good, but what’s even more surprising is the revo Minerva and Ilm pair in Arena 1. The damage output is more than sufficient and Minerva resists all the big threats in the dungeon.
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A) Kanna replaces Nobunaga on Game8’s list, a change I have a hard time accepting. Kanna is a fine leader, but all the videos I’ve seen only confirm my worries about the team’s damage.

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JP Aggregate Leader List: Week 33

JP Aggregate Leader List

Changes from last time: Myr 2➞1, Dantalion ❀➞3, Oda Nobunaga ❀➞3, Ra Dragon 3➞❀, Summer Lakshmi added to ❀, Yomi Dragon removed from ❀, AD Lucifer removed from ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier

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Disclaimer: The aggregate list is basically a compilation of the leader tier lists from three JP PAD sites: Game8, GameWith and AppMedia. The idea is that while a single tier list can have many points of contention, hopefully an aggregate can kind of smooth things over (it doesn’t, really, but it helps a bit). I try to keep my hands off the results as much as possible; the extent of my involvement is setting the algorithm to aggregate the results. I wish I could be fully hands off, but as none of the lists have 1:1 correlation in their grades, I have to have that much involvement. Don’t take these ratings as fact; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which leads are actually the best for your specific situation.

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The majority of this week’s movement came from Game8’s reorganization of their tiers, something that culminated in a more inclusive A-tier. As such, I’m removing their “popular leaders” section from the aggregate.

JP Aggregate Leader List Changes of Note

Card	Notes
	Change: 2➞1 I recently went over a similar change that AppMedia made, making light Myr one tier higher than Summer Myr. Her light version will always have an advantage in theory since light has no elemental weakness, but I don’t think that’s enough to separate them by a tier. People will bring up something like light having access to June Akechi which is indeed a huge advantage, but on the other hand I can bring up something like Summer Myr having access to Neptune Dragon to easily deal with shenanigans, Sopdet in particular. I think there’s enough back and forth like this to not separate them by a tier. However, in the end, it doesn’t really matter as all the heart-crossers can curb stomp just about everything in the game so getting worked up over their relative positions is just splitting hairs.
	Change: ❀➞3 A seemingly strange upgrade, but this is really only because Game8 added him back to their A-tier so it’s more like he’s back to where he should’ve been all along.
	Change: 3➞❀ Our boy Ra Dragon was able to stay on the tier lists for an entire year. There are very few leaders that have been relevant for so long, if ever (my early-PAD history isn’t so great so I can’t say for sure, maybe something like RSonia had similar longevity?). For early adopters, we sure got our money’s worth.
	Change: Added to ❀ Added to Game8’s revamped A-tier. I’d like to think this includes the normal Lakshmi as well who is arguably just as good if not better.
	Change: Removed from ❀ RIP. You farmed me literally hundreds of Pys. Your efforts won’t be forgotten o7.
	Change: Removed from ❀ Another RIP. I spent most of my efforts comparing you to Pandora instead of extolling your own virtues, but you were always a legit leader. And thus the old guard of awoken uevos was banished from the lands.

New Card Holding Tank

New cards will be held here temporarily in an attempt to isolate the aggregate list from knee-jerk ratings.

Card	Notes
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (AA), GameWith (A), AppMedia (S), PadPlus (4) I mentioned in the comments last week that I felt that Krishna was about as powerful as Xiang Mei and should probably be rated as such. Well, it looks like JP thinks he’s flat out better. I still think something has to be said for Xiang Mei’s nigh invulnerability, but I can totally see how a more proactive playstyle would be more appealing to the masses.
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A), AppMedia (S-), PadPlus (1) As with the Kinnikuman cards, Flintlock looks very strong, but isn’t something I can evaluate accurately.
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A), PadPlus (7) Vishnu isn’t as tanky as Krishna, but he hits harder and is plenty capable as a leader himself. With wood having a glut of great leaders lately, it’s easy to overlook him.
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A), GameWith (A), PadPlus (3) I haven’t wanted a pantheon card this much in a long time. Acala isn’t an elite leader, but when’s the last time a normal evolution of a pantheon god has been as good as one? See you next year for their uevos.

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JP Aggregate Leader List: Week 32

JP Aggregate Leader List

Changes from last time: Kinnikuman added to 2, Akuma Shogun added to ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier

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Disclaimer: The aggregate list is basically a compilation of the leader tier lists from three JP PAD sites: Game8, GameWith and AppMedia. The idea is that while a single tier list can have many points of contention, hopefully an aggregate can kind of smooth things over (it doesn’t, really, but it helps a bit). I try to keep my hands off the results as much as possible; the extent of my involvement is setting the algorithm to aggregate the results. I wish I could be fully hands off, but as none of the lists have 1:1 correlation in their grades, I have to have that much involvement. Don’t take these ratings as fact; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which leads are actually the best for your specific situation.

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Another dull week. As much as all the new leaders are new and different, they can’t overcome the heart-cross’s stranglehold on the meta. I’m really looking forward to playing with some of the new cards, the Wisdom Kings in particular. Acala being the most appealing for various reasons beyond pure strength (how I can I say no to a wood cutie with a light saber and three time extends?).

JP Aggregate Leader List Changes of Note

Card	Notes
	Change: Added to 2 This seems about right. I’ll say what I’ve been saying for the past few weeks, though: I really have no idea how to judge this new mechanic without playing it myself.

New Card Holding Tank

New cards will be held here temporarily in an attempt to isolate the aggregate list from knee-jerk ratings.

Card	Notes
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A) They really went all-out with the Indian 2 uuevos. 2.25/45.56/2.25 is pretty damned nice and makes Uzume’s awoken look silly by comparison. For those on NA looking for a tanky leader that doesn’t use heart-crosses, this will probably be the best we get.
	Ranked Sites: Game8 Co-op (S) I usually don’t list co-op cards here, but I thought it was worth pointing out that Ganesha is pretty insane and will probably be as sought-after as Liu Bei if not more so. Sure, Monday dungeon is a thing, but that doesn’t apply to the average player as going for pure rank EXP is such an inefficient use of resources. What he can do for every player is reduce the time between rank-up stamina refreshes when farming low-end dungeons. Biweeklies, skill up carnivals and collab dungeons all come to mind, but even something like Mechdragons on 20x gets boosted to about 1,700 exp/stam; that’s better than Zaerog∞. It’s time to dust off your Nazca and Wangrens and the like.

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