JP Aggregate Leader List
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Disclaimer: The aggregate list is basically a compilation of the leader tier lists from three JP PAD sites: Game8, GameWith and AppMedia. The idea is that while a single tier list can have many points of contention, hopefully an aggregate can kind of smooth things over (it doesn’t, really, but it helps a bit). I try to keep my hands off the results as much as possible; the extent of my involvement is setting the algorithm to aggregate the results. I wish I could be fully hands off, but as none of the lists have 1:1 correlation in their grades, I have to have that much involvement. Don’t take these ratings as fact; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which leads are actually the best for your specific situation.
I’m not sure what’s up with Pad-Plus lately. I usually tried to make these posts on Saturdays or Sundays to coincide with them releasing their popularity results, but if they continue to be late or just don’t make the post at all, I’m considering moving the posts to Mondays in order to capture the potential release of collab card rankings.
Anyways, GameWith made some sweeping changes to their list, the top three tiers all being heart-crossers. I’m personally fine with this mechanic taking over the meta since I enjoy both the playstyle and the power level it brings, but I sympathize with anyone that’s already tired of it. They also removed the co-op-centric leads which is a welcome change.
JP Aggregate Leader List Changes of Note
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Change: 3➞2
It should come as no surprise that anything with a heart-cross and a decent ATK multiplier is taking over the meta. Typhon Ana — arguably one of the “worst” of the good ones — settling in at tier-2 should tell volumes about how dominant this mechanic is. |
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Change: 2➞3
I’d like my MP and Flampys back, please. I think tier-3 is reasonable for her, but there are a few cards that look out of place alongside her: You Yu, Lucifer and Dantalion, while good, probably shouldn’t be on the same level. Xiang Mei’s playstyle might be boring, but she’s still incredibly powerful. |
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Change: 2➞3
It’s been almost a year since Ra Dragon has been released and he’s still on this list. A pretty amazing investment for those that got in early. It makes me wonder if GungHo will ever buff the MP Dragons (or at least discount their MP cost) or will they all just eventually fall off the face of the earth. |
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Change: ❀➞3
His buff from a 35% to 50% shield has been appropriately reflected in this update. Being a single tier below Myr is where he belongs. |
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Change: Removed from 3
GameWith removed co-op leads from their list — including Liu Bei and MHera — which is something I can only be thankful for. |
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Change: Removed from ❀
RIP. |
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My main gripe about Batman is that his relatively low movement time will make the row + cross playstyle extremely difficult to execute for most players; I already have a hard enough time with it on Gremory and Batman teams will have at least one second less than her. However, taking skill out of the equation, he’s flat out stronger than Gremory or Typhon Ana. |
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Game8 has been quiet for a couple weeks now which is surprising for them.
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Both Kinnikuman and Akuma Shogun are in their holding tank. I’d imagine that both would make the list proper in some form, but where that would be, your guess is as good as mine. I think they’re quite strong, but without playing the new mechanics personally, it’s really hard to say.
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Change: S➞A
After having a chance to play with the new top GFEs — Ronove, Gremory, Kaede, Roots — from my perspective Roots is by far the worst so this downgrade comes as no surprise. I feel like a broken record at this point, but the heart-cross (combined with stacking time extends and huge ATK multipliers) is just too busted. |
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When I first saw her stats, I seriously felt that Rukia would have a Ra Dragon-level of longevity. Looking back, considering her relatively poor awakening selection and the advent of that-one-mechanic, it was amazing that she lasted this long. Here’s hoping she gets buffs when Bleach returns (it’ll return, right?) |
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You farmed me many a Py, my old friend. RIP o7. |
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Poor Persephone can’t seem to stick with any list for very long. |
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I just finished a draft of my Kenshin Collab review (in anticipation of it being released this week, but apparently that isn’t the case) and I strongly feel that he’s underrated. AppMedia was the only list that gave him any love; while S+ was much too high, I do think putting him at S or S- is more than reasonable. |
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No update this week. I might add it in later, but I rarely check their page so that’s fairly unlikely.
For details on the aggregation method or each Japanese site used, refer to this page (link someday).
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When is the next godfest likely to be?
And when should i start saving for PCGF, assuming i am rank 230 and that it is going to be in mid november?
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The usual days are the last day of a month and the first day of the follow month and two days somewhere mid-month.
You should always be saving for PCGF, but roll in any godfest before that if it makes sense for you.
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The fall of Xiang Mei makes me sad. She was the best leader at the end of the tank team meta, but since she was at the end, they newer mechanics were bound to overshadow her. Being non-iap, she has been my only MP purchase so far. I don’t care that anyone says she is losing strength. She’s still gotten me through many annihilation dungeons solo and I won’t stop being a supporter!
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What about miru Buff?
I think, this buff makes her S+ tier, near Kaede.
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What does the buff actually improve? It’s not like she was hurting for damage. Her weakness has always been damage control and this only makes that more difficult.
Having played both leads extensively, it wouldn’t upset me if they were put on the same tier, but I feel Kaede was and still is the superior lead.
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Myr does hurt for damage though, from an orb conservation standpoint. 49x is on the cusp, and you can have trouble nuking things down when orbs are scarce or your team is low on TPA. 59.29x makes intermediary floors less demanding and all but eliminates the need for damage enhance on Kali. The only thing it really hurts is > 200k damage shields, but with either multiplier you are most likely burning actives anyway. It would take an LS change to fix that problem.
I still agree that Kaede belongs in a tier separate from Myr since she has much better damage scaling and a 7 turn heartmaker system, but I think it’s disingenuous to say 59.29x isn’t an upgrade for Myr.
Also this sort of indirectly makes Summer Myr more appealing… Parvati can be an ordeal for Light Myr at 59.29x, cross/3 light 3 combo is the highest you can go before absorb. But I consider this a non-issue with how easy it is to stall and conserve orbs on that floor.
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Where did I say it wasn’t an upgrade? My comment was a reply to one about how she compares to Kaede and should be taken in that context. Yes, there are positives like the ones you listed, but it’s nothing that’s going to suddenly close the gap between them. I should’ve been clearer what I was referring to, but never did I say it wasn’t an upgrade (which would make little sense anyways since you now have access to both pre- and post-buff forms so it’s only upside).
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I feel like the Miru buff made her worse if anything, since the damage increase wasn’t substantial enough for it to be groundbreaking, and it is now even harder to take on sopdet and parvati. I think its sorta similar to the D/L Yomi buff, which actually was sorta of a pseudo-nerf. On a side note, in the “JP Aggregate Leader List Changes of Note” section, you spelled “below” as “bellow” in Awoken Izanagi.
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You can just use her previous form if you don’t want the buff. It’s exactly the same as her uuevo was pre-buff.
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Lazy me no longer has to collect all the Eco requirements for the ultimate miru! 🙂 🙂 🙂
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Hi, I am interested in hearing a bit more about your thoughts on Armoured Bats vs Gremory.
Do you think Bats is stronger because he has no typing restriction and no skill activation requirement? I have both Armoured Bats and Gremory and they play exactly the same, but like you mention I really struggle to actually activate bats since my team only has 4 TE, and having the on-demand damage buff for Grem and getting 144x without needing a row makes her a bit easier to play for me.
Bats has better damage control (4, 16, 64 compared to GRRM’s 4, 36, 144) and Bats obviously has the better shield.
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You broke it down yourself nicely. I can add a couple points from my perspective, though. Since I suck, I prefer Gremory for the extra time extends. Also since I suck, I’m usually using an active per turn anyways since I usually can’t clear enough orbs to consistently have an activatable board otherwise. To that end, I prefer Gremory even if her shield is smaller since it doesn’t really matter what that value is if you can’t consistently activate it.
Her bind utility is also pretty nice.
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How does Ronove compare to Kaede? I feel Ronove is super easy to play and hit the damage cap much faster, whereas Kaede will require popping multiple actives to do enough damage.
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And not to mention that, Kaede really works on a system, which is super hard to get, but Ronove can always use multiples of RagDras. MP is so easy to farm right now that RagDras should be very easy to obtain.
On the other hand though, Kaede does have more damage reduction and also better recovery than a Ronove team with multiples of RagDras. Not sure if this is relevant though.
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Both are busted, Ronove only being slightly less so. However, in practical use, it makes little difference since both are more than capable of clearing everything with ease. This is why they’re usually considered equals even if Kaede is technically better (or at least has a higher potential). It also helps that Ronove has the perception of being, and actually is, friendlier for players on a budget. As a 5-star, he’s easier to acquire. As you pointed out, you can run Ragnarok Dragons and other farmables like Gainaut and be much better off than Kaede with the same amount of farmables. Not to mention that his active is much easier to consistently activate and you generally only need his own active to do so, not multiple Kaede 6-stars.
Tier lists aside, which are supposed to only compare leads at their highest potential, I’d put the two leads on the same level.
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Where do you think Kinnikuman will rank?
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I actually haven’t seem much of him yet, but from what I have he seems quite good. He can probably challenge Kaede, but probably won’t be on the same tier as her or Ronove. However, the team is just so stupidly easy to use, that might be enough reason to rank him the same. Then again, I could be wrong either way. I’ll leave it up to the JP lists to figure it out.
Combo shields look like they could be a problem speed-wise, but the team has enough tankiness that it shouldn’t matter too much?
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Kinnikuman system seems very strong. 2 leaders and 2 subs.
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Time for people to dust off their Scarlet Systems.
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So my only possible heart cross leads are Kaede who I only have 1 of and Sumire who I have 3 of but I’m not really sure which team I should invest in. I have pretty much all the subs for both the teams besides the 6* GFEs and collab golds.
Sorry in advance for not posting a herder. I haven’t updated mine in months and my listener isn’t working right now..
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Hard to say. Probably Sumire with hopes of rolling a Ronove someday.
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I’ve been pretty much a lurker for a while and i find your blog very informative. I was one of the people who caved with XM since i had both Gadius and 3 Uriels and figured it was good enough to bite the bullet and purchase her. Soon after i made the purchase they released Kaede’s busted evo and while i do not regret the XM purchase, i did in fact end up dropping her altogether. I just wanted to ask what your thoughts on running double Kaede are. I know how effective it is to have multiples but given how vulnerable the team is to binds without a bind clearer i dont know what a good sub to add is. Right now i’ve been running Kaede lead, Kaede (usually flex), A. Suzano, Verdandi, Australis with Kaede friend lead but i dont know what viable bind clearers there are for her.
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I like a Kaede team even with only a single dupe. I’m not much of a fan of Susano or Australis on it, though.
I’ve been using Wee Jas and have found him to be extremely good since he fulfills so many utility roles, has 2x TEs and does respectable damage with his killers. Most veterans have rolled him once or twice by now and his skill ups are permanently in the coin dungeons. All flavors of green Odin should also be fine, with the original and Dragon being buffed to clear the disabled awakenings buff. Ceres Ana also looks great, assuming we get her eventually. Thumbelina is also respectable. Wood has a ton of good options.
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