JP Aggregate Leader List β
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A boring update where pretty much nothing changed. I actually expect most iterations of this list to be like that. At the very least, monitoring these lists on a weekly basis should give me a better idea how often they update.
All the noted changes are cards being moved from the holding tank to the actual list. The only change this week was GameWith adding Typhon to their B-tier. Which is somewhat disappointing since GameWith and AppMedia still have to rank Ichigo and Rukia; their absence from those lists is the only reason they’re stuck in the honorable mention tier.
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Bouya was correctly re-added to Game8’s A-tier.
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Ichigo and Rukia are allegedly still under evaluation. I don’t see why they’d need more time to evaluate than Typhon, but here’s hoping we see some movement next time.
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I think GameWith has the wrong relative rankings between Typhon and Yuria. Typhon’s bind immunity makes him a more solid leader choice and Pandora’s recent upgrades should also be a factor. At the very least they should have the same grade. |
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No changes. Unlike GameWith, there’s no way to tell if AppMedia has even acknowledged Ichigo and Rukia.
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To no surprise, Ichigo is #1, but somewhat surprisingly Pandora beat out Rukia for #2. I think this goes to show that Pandora is just that popular on JP.
For details on the aggregation method or each Japanese site used, refer to this page.
Setsu's PAD Blog 
Thanks for keeping this list alive, your comments are always a great read and it’s always interesting to observe how the meta is moving!
I’ve got one problem with your list though: Why do you list Juggler as 3rd tier (“A+”) while Yuria is only in the honorable mentions? Yuria is basically an overall better version of Juggler in every single category. Better AS, better awakenings, scalable LS with higher maximum multiplier and also more variety in terms of good sub choices.
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Same goes for Typhon, I think his sub options are overall worse compared to Yuria at the moment, but his scalable LS and better awakenings definitively put him in a better position than Juggler.
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Akechi is one of the very best subs available in the game and is significantly better than anything similar Yuria has access to (namely DQXQ and Wukong) if only for his active. Same goes for Pandora due to her recent upgrades, although not to the same extreme. Typhon’s built in bind utility means that you don’t have to waste space to deal with binds. His active is also better.
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I don’t think you understand what an aggregate list is; this isn’t “my list”. AppMedia doesn’t rank her at all so she gets a huge demerit. Right or wrong doesn’t matter, this is just how the aggregate list works.
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Any chance of the sub list making a comeback?
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A sub list would be too subjective IMO. How would you rank a sub? What can be a critical sub for one team could be dead weight on another.
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Pretty much this. Leader lists are subjective enough, but at least you can attempt to quantify them based on how their best teams perform in the hardest dungeons. Trying to quantify subs would have to take too many variables into consideration.
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No, sub lists are even worse than leader lists.
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Nice links. Thanks for those. Maybe you should do a post about cool third party tools/links.
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Have you done a breakdown on Ragnarok anywhere yet?
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No.
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Speaking of Ragnarok, it’s funny that Game8 gives him a leader score of 9.0 because it means he should be in their A+ tier, but for whatever reason he’s not listed there.
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any chance write JP Aggregate Sub List？
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Not happening.
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Hey Setsu, how good is Ilm as a leader/sub without a Leilan system? I just rolled two in the last godfest because Gungtroll gave me someone else’s hopes and dreams
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Outside farming and certain specific uses (like some ranking dungeons), Ilm isn’t that great of a lead. He also has limited sub uses, basically only for Saria-Thor and Cloud.
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Alright, thanks!
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