Godfest Help Post: 1/14-1/15

Grading scale. The individual grade is a composite grade of all monsters in it relative to all other pantheons. The combined grade is a composite of all monsters in both pantheons relative to all other combinations of pantheons. Combined grades are not an average of the individual grades, but based on the normal distribution of all possible two-pantheon-combinations. Grades do not factor co-op or skill inheritance at this time.

Godfest: Heroes & Egypt 2 1/14, Norse & Sengoku 1/15
Criteria		Day 1		Day 2
		Heroes	Egypt 2	Norse	Sengoku
Leader	Individual	B	B-	B+	B
	Combined	B		B+
Sub	Individual	A+	C-	B	A-
	Combined	B		A-
Overall	Individual	A-	C	B+	B+
	Combined	B		A-

This is a help thread, so please feel free to ask questions on just about anything concerning the godfest or your teams, box and progress in general.

It’s been over two months since my last help thread. I’m looking to keep the question count low while I settle back in, but let’s see if there’s any interest in the first place.

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Please read the rules before posting, especially if this is your first time:

• I will only take box questions that supply a PADherder. It makes it much, much easier for me to give good advice this way (you could say I can’t give good advice without the sorting options). Try PadListener to sync if you’re on Android (if it works for you), otherwise use this method.
• Box/roll questions that don’t supply rank, IAP status and main teams will be ignored. Any other information you want to supply will only help.
• Please check the FAQ after the break before asking a question. Questions that aren’t covered by the FAQ will be prioritized; questions that don’t may be ignored.
• I have WordPress set to flag comments with multiple links to combat spam. I still get the comment, I just have to approve it manually for it to show up on the site. So if your comment doesn’t show up, this might be the case. Ideally, only post a single link to your PADherder.
• I generally reply on a first come, first serve basis, but if there’s a low hanging fruit I’ll address that first.
• I will post thread status as bold red comments. Make sure you read these comments before posting to make sure you aren’t violating the rules. I’m no longer segregating comments by day, instead I’ll indicate how many questions I be able to take for a given thread in the first status comment, then stop taking new ones after that.
• No new questions will be taken after the godfest ends. Questions asked in other posts may be ignored; please wait for the next godfest!
• Follow-ups to existing questions will be taken as long as the post is still open for comments.
• I’ll close the post for comments a few hours after the godfest ends.
• Any comments breaking the rules will be removed without warning.

Godfest Help Post: 9/17-9/18

Grading scale. The individual grade is a composite grade of all monsters in it relative to all other pantheons. The combined grade is a composite of all monsters in both pantheons relative to all other combinations of pantheons. Combined grades are not an average of the individual grades, but based on the normal distribution of all possible two-pantheon combinations.

Godfest: Chinese & Greek 9/17, Heroes & Egypt 2 9/18
Criteria		Day 1		Day 2
		Chinese	Greek	Heroes	Egypt 2
Leader	Individual	B	B+	B+	B-
	Combined	B+		B
Sub	Individual	B+	B+	A+	C
	Combined	B+		B
Overall	Individual	B	B+	A	C+
	Combined	B+		B

This is a help thread, so please feel free to ask questions on just about anything concerning the godfest or your teams, box and progress in general.

Please read the rules before posting, especially if this is your first time:

• I will only take box questions that supply a PADherder. It makes it much, much easier for me to give good advice this way (you could say I can’t give good advice without the sorting options). Try PadListener to sync if you’re on Android (if it works for you), otherwise use this method.
• Box/roll questions that don’t supply rank, IAP status and main teams will be ignored. Any other information you want to supply will only help.
• Please check the FAQ after the break before asking a question. Questions that aren’t covered by the FAQ will be prioritized; questions that don’t may be ignored.
• WordPress flags comments with multiple links. I still get the comment, I just have to approve it manually for it to show up on the site. So if your comment doesn’t show up, this might be the case. Ideally, only post a single link to your PADherder.
• I generally reply on a first come, first serve basis, but if there’s a low hanging fruit I’ll address that first.
• I will post thread status as bold red comments. Make sure you read these comments before posting to make sure you aren’t violating the rules. I’m no longer segregating comments by day, instead I’ll indicate how many questions I be able to take for a given thread in the first status comment, then stop taking new ones after that.
• No new questions will be taken after the godfest ends. Questions asked in other posts may be ignored; please wait for the next godfest!
• Follow-ups to existing questions will be taken as long as the post is still open for comments.
• I’ll close the post for comments a few hours after the godfest ends.
• Any comments breaking the rules will be removed without warning.

Godfest Help Post: 6/17-6/18

Grading scale. The individual grade is a composite grade of all monsters in it relative to all other pantheons. The combined grade is a composite of all monsters in both pantheons relative to all other combinations of pantheons. Combined grades are not an average of the individual grades, but based on the normal distribution of all possible two-pantheon combinations.

Godfest: Greek & Constellation 2 6/17, Heroes & Constellation 1 6/18
Criteria		Day 1		Day 2
		Greek	Const. 2	Heroes	Const. 1
Leader	Individual	B+	C+	A-	B+
	Combined	B		A-
Sub	Individual	A-	B-	A-	B+
	Combined	B		A-
Overall	Individual	A-	C+	A	B+
	Combined	B		A

This is a help thread, so please feel free to ask questions about just about anything concerning the godfest or your teams, box and progress in general.

Yawn. Coming off the PCGF, there probably aren’t too many people that have ammunition left for this godfest. I’m not sure why GungHo is so desperate to push both Constellation pantheons, but they’re doing their best here by pairing them with two of best overall pantheons in the game.

Anyways, here are the rules:

• I will only take box questions that supply a PADherder. It makes it much, much easier for me to give good advice this way (you could say I can’t give good advice without the sorting options). Try PadListener to sync if you’re on Android (if it works for you), otherwise use this method.
• Box/roll questions that don’t supply rank, IAP status and main teams will be ignored. Any other information you want to supply will only help.
• Please check the FAQ after the break before asking a question. Questions that aren’t covered by the FAQ will be prioritized; questions that don’t may be ignored.
• WordPress flags comments with multiple links. I still get the comment, I just have to approve it manually for it to show up on the site. So if your comment doesn’t show up, this might be the case.
• I generally reply on a first come, first serve basis, but if there’s a low hanging fruit I’ll address that first.
• I will post a comment in bold red when I stop taking questions for the day or end the post altogether. Please look for and respect these cutoffs before posting! I’ll allow questions after the day 1 cutoff to queue up for the next day, but no new questions will be taken after the day 2 cutoff.
• No new questions will be taken after the godfest ends. Questions asked in other posts may be ignored; please wait for the next godfest!
• Follow-ups to existing questions will be taken as long as the post is still open for comments.
• I’ll close the post for comments a few hours after the godfest ends.

Godfest Help Post: 4/16-4/17

Grading scale. The individual grade is a composite grade of all monsters in it relative to all other pantheons. The combined grade is a composite of all monsters in both pantheons relative to all other combinations of pantheons. Combined grades are not an average of the individual grades, but based on the normal distribution of all possible two-pantheon combinations.

Godfest: Greek & Three Kingdoms 4/16, Greco-Roman & Heroes 4/17
Criteria		Day 1		Day 2
		Greek	Three Kingdoms	Greco-Roman	Heroes
Leader	Individual	B+	B-	B-	A
	Combined	B		B+
Sub	Individual	B+	B+	C	A-
	Combined	A-		B
Overall	Individual	B+	B	C	A+
	Combined	B+		B

This is a help thread, so please feel free to ask questions about just about anything concerning the godfest or your teams, box and progress in general.

This abrupt godfest is eating into my precious Tree of Savior time. I wouldn’t expect the same quality of responses as I have in the past and I imagine I’ll close out each day much earlier than usual, so get your questions in while you can. Anyways, here are the rules:

• I will only take box questions that supply a PADherder. It makes it much, much easier for me to give good advice this way (you could say I can’t give good advice without the sorting options). Try PadListener to sync if you’re on Android (if it works for you), otherwise use this method.
• Box/roll questions that don’t supply rank, IAP status and main teams will be ignored. Any other information you want to supply will only help.
• Please check the FAQ after the break before asking a question. Questions that aren’t covered by the FAQ will be prioritized; questions that don’t may be ignored.
• WordPress flags comments with multiple links. I still get the comment, I just have to approve it manually for it to show up on the site. So if your comment doesn’t show up, this might be the case.
• I generally reply on a first come, first serve basis, but if there’s a low hanging fruit I’ll address that first.
• I will post a comment in bold red when I stop taking questions for the day or end the post altogether. Please look for and respect these cutoffs before posting! I’ll allow questions after the day 1 cutoff to queue up for the next day, but no new questions will be taken after the day 2 cutoff.
• No new questions will be taken after the godfest ends. Questions asked in other posts may be ignored; please wait for the next godfest!
• Follow-ups to existing questions will be taken as long as the post is still open for comments.
• I’ll close the post for comments a few hours after the godfest ends.

JP Aggregate Leader List: Trial Week 3

JP Aggregate Leader List β

Changes from last time: Yamato Takeru added to ❀, Bouya Harumichi added to ❀, Gadius added to ❀, Rukia added to ❀, Sun Wukong added to ❀, Typhon added to ❀, Gran Reverse added to ❀, Pandora added to ❀, Ichigo added to ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus

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A boring update where pretty much nothing changed. I actually expect most iterations of this list to be like that. At the very least, monitoring these lists on a weekly basis should give me a better idea how often they update.

All the noted changes are cards being moved from the holding tank to the actual list. The only change this week was GameWith adding Typhon to their B-tier. Which is somewhat disappointing since GameWith and AppMedia still have to rank Ichigo and Rukia; their absence from those lists is the only reason they’re stuck in the honorable mention tier.

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Godfest Help Post: 2/29-3/1

New: 

Grading scale. The individual grade is a composite grade of all monsters in it relative to all other pantheons. Overall grades are not an average of the leader and sub grades, but based on the normal distribution of all combined pantheon ratings.

Godfest: Heroes 2/29, Egypt 1 3/1
Criteria	Day 1	Day 2
	Heroes	Egypt 1
Leader	A-	A
Sub	A-	C+
Overall	A+	B+

4x to the featured gods makes this a very attractive godfest, especially for those chasing one of the elusive 6-star GFEs. It helps that both the pantheons are competent and that a dark gala is active. The addition of Fenrir to the GFE pool is the only negative to this godfest (although wood players are left wondering when they’ll ever get a wood gala to overlap with a godfest). This will likely be the best opportunity to roll until the PCGF.

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Edit: 4x means you’ll have a greater chance of rolling a specific featured god, but since there’s only one featured pantheon the chances of rolling any pantheon god are lower overall. This means for newer players who should be prioritizing overall value, this may not be the best godfest to roll. For more experienced players, this is still a great godfest to roll. This was brought to my attention from a user comment and I feel I should point it out here for more visibility (I should have pointed it out in the first place).

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This is a help thread, so please feel free to ask questions about just about anything concerning the godfest or your teams, box and progress in general.

I’m still pressed for time, especially with 10x, so don’t expect prompt replies this time. I’ll probably close the comments earlier each day than usual. Anyways, here are the rules:

• I will only take box questions that supply a PADherder. It makes it much, much easier for me to give good advice this way (you could say I can’t give good advice without the sorting options). Try PadListener to sync if you’re on Android (if it works for you), otherwise use this method.
• Box/roll questions that don’t supply rank, IAP status and main teams will be ignored. Any other information you want to supply will only help.
• Please check the FAQ after the break before asking a question. Questions that aren’t covered by the FAQ will be prioritized; questions that don’t may be ignored.
• WordPress flags comments with multiple links. I still get the comment, I just have to approve it manually for it to show up on the site. So if your comment doesn’t show up, this might be the case.
• I generally reply on a first come, first serve basis, but if there’s a low hanging fruit I’ll address that first.
• I will post a comment when I stop taking questions for the day, so please be patient and wait for a reply the next day.
• No new questions will be taken after the godfest ends. Questions asked in other posts may be ignored; please wait for the next godfest!
• Follow-ups to existing questions will taken as long as the post is still open for comments.
• I’ll close the post for comments a few hours after the godfest ends.

JP Aggregate Leader List: Trial Week 2

JP Aggregate Leader List β

Changes from last time: Sakuya 2➞3, Anubis 2➞3, Bouya Harumichi removed from ❀
Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus

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As could be anticipated with the recent stream updates and Bleach Collab, there were plenty of changes in the past couple of days which made this a good time to test out my script again. Game8 made some significant changes, handing out demotions to meta staples. There’s now a clear line between the top and the rest of the rabble: those without an RCV multiplier will languish.

Having only two entries at tier 2 is somewhat concerning, but I’m still going to wait a while to see how it turns out once the rest of the lists catch up with their updates.

Updates going forward: I’m contemplating running these posts weekly on Monday evenings. JP uevo updates usually go live on Fridays so that should give them three good days to marinate. Pad-Plus also updates their popularity list Sundays so I can pull in that list while it’s still fresh. Of course, collabs usually go live on Mondays, so in the case of there being impactful cards I’ll consider doing a mid-week post.

JP Aggregate Leader List β Changes of Note

Card	Notes
	Change: 2➞3 This change is a good example of the weakness of the aggregate list and tier lists in general. Sakuya is clearly better than almost all other options in tier 3, but the binning ranges don’t allow that to be reflected. I considered adding another tier to increase the granularity, but after thinking about it I feel things are fine as they are. It would only tarnish the integrity of the list by being results-oriented (assuming there was any integrity to be had with a tier list in the first place), but I actually like how the tiers have played out this week.
	Change: 2➞3 No one will argue Anubis’s damage potential, but this is where he has belonged for a long time due to his inconsistency. With all the time extends nowadays it’s not even really about skill, it’s that you can’t activate him on most boards.
	Change: Removed from ❀ This is another example of Game8’s auto-generated A-tier not reflecting what the maintainers of the list want; Bouya should still be at A.

New Card Holding Tank

New cards will be held here temporarily in an attempt to isolate the aggregate list from knee-jerk ratings.

Card	Notes
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A+) Rukia is making combo gods like Anubis, Bastet, Shiva, and Yomi look quite silly. Eight combos is demanding for most players, but seven combos still puts you at Bastet levels of damage — and you get 1.5x RCV on top of it.
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A+) Unlike Gadius, Typhon has always been a solid endgame leader and his uevo only solidifies his place. Also, unlike Gadius, you can both clear binds and fully activate in the same turn.
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A+) As expected, Ichigo is one of the top leaders in the game, but isn’t quite as impressive as it might’ve seemed. Watching videos for him is hilarious: the healing animation will jump from like 2k → 3k → 4k → 5k → 50k.
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A) Game8 has always had a hard-on for Gadius, but I’m not convinced he’s all that much better than before.
	Ranked Sites: AppMedia (A+) I can’t say I agree with AppMedia’s ratings of all the Hero uuevos. They’re very strong, but leaders without HP and/or RCV multipliers and top out at an orb-hungry 25x ATK seem to be at an extreme disadvantage. Today’s endgame just puts so much emphasis on utility and resilience, something that these Hero teams will struggle with. I feel they’re outclassed by almost everything else in the AppMedia A+ tier.

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JP Aggregate Leader List: Trial Week 1

JP Aggregate Leader List β

Legend: Popular on Pad-Plus, ❀: Honorable Mention Tier

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With 10x coming in a couple hours, I don’t intend to blog much in the coming week. With that in mind, I wanted to try out the new format for my tier list series of posts even if it may be a bit premature. I’ve been working on the scripts to gather the data and generate the HTML for the past couple of weeks and this is what I have so far. I already have ideas for enhancements and new features, but for now I’ll wait and see how things go. Although I can say already that the amount of time and effort I’ve saved on this post alone has made all the work so far worth it.

As you can see, my attempt to mitigate the pain of solely relying on Game8 as the source of these posts was to rope other questionable JP tier lists into the mix. This aggregate table is essentially the average of all included tier lists. Since the grading scale of each list is not 1:1, I had to tweak the algorithm to translate and compensate. That judgment call is about as close as I want to get to making my own tier list, ever. It’s definitely a work in progress, though, so I’ll be adjusting it as the weeks go on and I’m able to see how it deals with new cards and changes in the meta. For those that still want to directly reference the original lists, I have summaries and links to the originals later in the post.

The first judgment call you may have noticed is the omission of an “SS” tier where Ra Dragon and sometimes Yomi Dragon have lived for the past few months. Like I said, it’s a work in progress, but I don’t actually think an SS tier is necessary anymore, at least not until the details of skill inheritance are revealed (in a few hours?).

Next are the tier names. I actually wanted to use labels that were a bit more cryptic, but I thought about it for a while and trying to sever association with traditional tier lists through ham-fisted obfuscation made me think “why even make a tier list at all?”. I still did want to distance the aggregate list from the JP lists even if superficially, so instead of using letters, I’ll be using numbers: simple and easy to understand. For those curious, the “❀” tier is reserved for all cards that were mentioned in at least one list, but didn’t accumulate enough points to be put into an actual tier.

There’s also the addition of the Pad-Plus leader popularity list. I want to stress: this list has absolutely no weight in the aggregate tier list, but is instead used to indicate which leaders are popular according to the site. While popularity may mean little to some, I still find it interesting to know what’s currently trending on JP.

There’s more I’d like to cover, but I’ll end it here for now. Tier list posts still seem futile, but at the very least I had fun putting all the parts together. If you know of any other JP tier list that you think would make a worthy addition, please let me know in the comments. I’m already considering Altema, but since they have a top 15 list instead of the standard tiers, I’m unsure of how to work it into the aggregate.

New Card Holding Tank

One of my biggest gripes with Game8 was their penchant for overrating new cards that they simply didn’t have enough information on (actually, the converse happened more often, but was less offensive, to me anyways). To combat this, I’m removing all new cards from the aggregate list and putting them into the holding tank for discussion. For now the duration is one week, but I could see extending it if some of the lists are slow to update.

New cards will be held here temporarily in an attempt to isolate the aggregate list from knee-jerk ratings.

Card	Notes
	Ranked Sites: Game8 (A) Rukia – Game8’s A-tier is automatically generated from the site-wide ratings, meaning Rukia, rated at A, got added to the list because the side added a score before they had a chance to update the entire tier list. I say this because it’s highly likely that Ichigo — who looks amazing — would at least be A+, but was not added as of yet. As for Rukia, without knowing the combo requirement for her full 5x, she still looks pretty solid and finally gives water a competitive combo lead. The Yuna awakenings are somewhat unfortunate, but the active is quite good and, perhaps most importantly, she gives Scheat a place to shine: 5x TPAs and that active with a 56.25x combo god sounds pretty amazing. The RCV boost is also quite welcome in one of the elements to most easily accumulate natural HP. I think Game8’s rating might be on the conservative side, but only time will tell.
	Ranked Sites: AppMedia (A+) The original Sonia Gran was still a decent leader so any upgrades are a huge help. The two Grans make a good pair and mixing and matching gives you some flexibility when tackling certain dungeons. The dragon sub pool has improved a bit since the original’s brief time in the spotlight, the most prominent being Kanna, Awoken Susano, Awoken Orochi, and Ragnarok Dragon; not to mention farmables in Linthia and Gainot. However, no matter how you slice it 36x rainbow is just plain underwhelming these days. I think AppMedia’s rating is a bit ambitious.

Godfest Help Post: 1/16-1/17

Grading scale. The individual grade is a composite grade of all monsters in it relative to all other pantheons. The combined grade is a composite of all monsters in both pantheons relative to all other combinations of pantheons. Combined grades are not an average of the individual grades, but based on the normal distribution of all possible two-pantheon combinations.

Godfest: Egypt 1 & Archangels 1/16, Japanese 2 & Heroes 1/17
Criteria		Day 1		Day 2
		Egypt 1	Archangels	Japanese 2	Heroes
Leader	Individual	A	B-	B-	B+
	Combined	B+		B
Sub	Individual	C+	B+	B	B+
	Combined	B		B+
Overall	Individual	B+	B	B-	A-
	Combined	B+		B

Are we back to last minute announcements again, GungHo? Get your shit together.

This will be the first time trying out the new format. “What is the new format?”, you might ask. It’s basically me trying to keep commentary to a minimum. This post will mainly be a platform for readers to ask me godfest-related questions if they’d like. This extends to overall box and team questions, too. If you post a question, please indicate your level of IAP, your playing habits and a link to your PADherder.

It’s been a while since we got the Archangels in a godfest (like nine months, according to this source) so it’s worthwhile talking about how they’ve changed since then. Don’t let their sub score fool you, it’s mainly brought down by the still useless Lucifer. They’re all at least as good as their Hero counterparts with Raphael being particularly useful due to his 100% damage shield. As leaders, they’re still all pretty useless as their leader skills weren’t improved.

Thoughts on the Game8 JP Tier List 1/7/15

Leads

Changes from 1/4: Freyr added as pair for Raoh, Parvati A+→A, A-tier completely revamped: Ilm added, Kanna added, Juggler added, HKali added, RKali added, Eschamali added, New Year’s Amaterasu added, New Year’s Kanna added, Vegito removed, Sarasvati removed, Osiris removed, Rinshia removed, Hathor removed, Zaerog∞ removed

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A

Subs

Changes from 1/4: A+ revamp: DMeta A→A+, Leilan A→A+, Karin A→A+, Amaterasu A→A+, Artemis A→A+, Phoenix Rider removed, Christmas Liu Bei removed, Baggi removed, Liu Bei removed, Kanna removed, Zaerog∞ removed, Eschamali removed, A-tier removed: Sanada, Set, Kagutsuchi, Andromeda, Orochi, Famiel, BSnnia, Verdandi, Kaede, Astaroth, GSonia, Ilm, Ariel, Indra, Izanagi, Summer Pandora, Zuoh, Pandora, Akechi all removed | The new MP Dragon Ragnarok debuts as an A+ sub, but there’s no official icon for it yet.

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The Game8 list

So, this is a pretty substantial update to their tier list. Not only are the tiers now synced with their site’s actual monster ratings instead of “just eyeballing it”, there is now a panel of three writers that give reasons for the grade, although from what I can tell their explanations don’t really tell us that much. The weakness of my Japanese — and Google’s, for that matter — will become even more apparent. It’d probably be a good idea to get someone fluent to actually help me with these posts now, but that feels like it’d just be a flat out pain in the ass for both of us.

SS-tier is added to the sub list and the A-tier is removed. I’m not entirely sure why they had to add SS, but whatever floats their boat. There are some things I don’t necessarily agree with (Eschamali omitted, Artemis included, Cao Cao and Satsuki still at S), but the list looks better than it used to (cya, Liu Bei). I’ll still say sub lists are rather pointless, though, since what subs are good for a particular lead or leads is the important thing, not how good they are relative to each other with no context.

The leader list, however, finally got rid of that horrible game of musical chairs at A and is much better for it. While some entries may be questionable, I don’t have any huge problems with the new list. If it wasn’t obvious before, it’s now easy to see that light and dark are totally dominating the game now that token leaders from each element are no longer cluttering A.

Considering they just changed the format and I’m still debating what I want to do with this post series, I’ll once again pass on discussing the specifics until a later time.